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Old 05-03-2023, 08:06 AM
 
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Short answer-- Lawyers. and most docs are ignorant of the actual statistics...In your case, with such a high risk of CAD based on family history, not to mention, you've already been proven to have CAD & carotid stenosis, we have to concede that 2% improvement is 2% improvement. (see below)

(BTW- carotid artery stenosis is more predictive of CAD than it is of future stroke. Your doc should always listen to your neck with his stethoscope (if he even has a stethoscope anymore, let alone knows how to use it.)



Thank you for documenting my point for me-- Read that study synopsis-- They studied pts who already have had a heart attack and the statin only reduced the risk of a second heart attack by 1.9% absolute risk reduction (ARR), but they disingenuously reported it as a 24% relative risk reduction (RRR)....Using statins before there is demonstrable CAD has never been shown to prevent its development.
I saw that the patients had a history of heart problems. If you reduce deaths from 8.3% of the study group to 6.9% that is a 24% reduction in deaths among the group previously having had heart attacks. A 24% reduction in this group is quite significant.
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Old 05-03-2023, 08:30 AM
 
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Sounds like the 90 y/o pt who went in for his yearly check -up. Examined thoroughly, he was found to be in good shape and the doc sent him off with a clean bill of health. ...The doc went in the next room to see the next pt, and after just a few minutes the nurse burst into the room declaring "Doctor-- the old guy Mr Smith just dropped dead as he was leaving the office! What should I do?"..The doc thought for a moment, then told the nurse-- "Turn him around so it looks like he was just coming in."

Unfortunateley, a pt must have specific symptoms or physical signs to raise suspicions that something is about to happen.

That's terrible. But funny as hell.
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Old 05-03-2023, 08:50 AM
 
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Not a new "trend".

Heart disease and cancer were the leading causes of death in 1935 and continue to be the top two causes of death right up to the present. [https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db88.pdf]


"According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)Trusted Source, heart disease is the top killer when analyzing data from males of all age groups and ethnicities in a large 2017 data set for the United States. Nearly one-quarter of death in males is due to heart disease."

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...auses-of-death


And regarding your "suddenly", half of the men who die suddenly of coronary heart disease had no previous symptoms. So, yes their deaths were "sudden" in that there was no warning, but that is not unusual.

[https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/men...rt%20disease.]


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And yet the researchers finding it has in fact risen ?

https://philmaffetone.com/researcher...r-vaccination/

https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroo...heart-attacks/
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Old 05-03-2023, 08:50 AM
 
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Yep, my first husband died at 43 from a widowmaker, then a family friend died from one at 47 a year later. A guy who had JUST passed the FBI physical fitness test, had one while he was doing a light jog, he was 53.

And this was over 15 years ago.


So we can conclusively say that they deaths were not impact by the jab. Everyone agree?
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Old 05-03-2023, 09:04 AM
 
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When I was in jr hi, I used to buy those Alfred Hitchcock anthologies. A couple yrs ago, I read them again, and was impressed how many of the short stories, written in the 40s & 50s, referred to "the age of heart attacks"-- age 45 to 60, a point I missed reading them as a kid....People smoked prior to the 1970s-- the first report of the association of smoking with lung cancer wasn't published until 1970 (!).

Among the risk factors for CAD/MI, family history of early MI (prior to age 50) is easily the most accurately predictive of impending problems.

When people "drop dead" (sudden death) it's from an arrhythmia, often caused by a sudden ischemic event (oxgen demand of the heart excedes the oxygen supply momentarily) not necessarly a myocardial infarction. When people suddenly collapse and are "saved" by CPR, it's probabliy not the CPR that helped, but just a spontaneous recovery of effective heart rhythm.... When a pt is already in the ICU with cardiac monitors, IVs in place, oxygen, a crash cart and a highly trained team of healthcare workers right on hand, recovery from a potentially lethal dysrhythmia/cardiac arrest is still unfortunately only a 50:50 proposition.

The decreased rate of smoking, improved treatment of DM and new tech (stents & CABG) account for the improvement in CAD survival over the last 50 yrs. Statins account for almost none of it (2%).

Jim Fixx, mentioned above, was the jogging guru, but dropped dead young-- He ran, but continued to smoke. While exercise is good for you for many reasons, it provides no long lasting advantage once you quit. You know how fast you get out of shape when you stop exercising regularly.
The Surgeon General came out with a report that smoking causes lung cancer in 1964.
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Old 05-03-2023, 09:28 AM
 
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Had several work friends, 53 and 55 Boom ! dead before they hit floor. Both had "widow maker heart attack's"

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/healt...%20your%20body.
Gee, I wonder why that could be.
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Old 05-03-2023, 10:08 AM
 
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So we can conclusively say that they deaths were not impact by the jab. Everyone agree?
What jab? You do realize that there is no one large monolithic jab that everybody got. We have India followed by China in terms of world populations and did they all get the same jab?

Early on before the vaccine was even introduced there was a jump in coronary events due to the virus. Globally there was also a rise in cardiac deaths for people in general before the pandemic. Hypternsion and other risk factors were being implicated.

People like to lump all vaccines as being identical which is hardly the case. That globalization of vaccines is classical for hysterics. Science limits the variables which is the opposite when one wants to study things.

There's been a massive hysterical movement directed against mRNA vaccines by antivaxxers. In fact it has nothing to do with mRNA vaccines but simply vaccines in general. The "new" part is ideal in generating fear which is a strong motivator in people. Younger people coming down with colon cancer and of course it has to be the jab to further their cause. Younger people coming down with type 2 diabetes then it must be the jab again to fulfill their agenda.
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Old 05-03-2023, 10:22 AM
 
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This is kind of interesting....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEE5OfiVS7o
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Old 05-03-2023, 10:32 AM
 
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This is kind of interesting....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEE5OfiVS7o
Wow, an old guy's youtube channel.
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Old 05-03-2023, 10:36 AM
 
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Wow, an old guy's youtube channel.
Your depth of analysis is really striking.
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