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Old 09-19-2023, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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I strongly doubt that statistics can support your claim.

Smoking deaths out-number automobile deaths? Really?

With a quick Google I am told that Heart Disease is America's biggest killer. Which is preventable with lifestyle, diet, and medication.
The Toll of Tobacco in the United States
Tobacco kills more than 480,000 people annually – more than AIDS, alcohol, car accidents, illegal drugs, murders and suicides combined.May 5, 2023

https://www.google.com/search?q=did+...t=gws-wiz-serp


At a quick glance, appears to.
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Old 09-19-2023, 10:08 PM
 
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I never enjoyed smoking much. I only smoked because it was so GD addicting and hard to stop. I always recognized that any "enjoyment" I got out of it was merely because it stopped the craving momentarily, and that felt good...for a few minutes.
Yep. That's addiction.

It feels good now to say "I don't smoke".
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Old 09-19-2023, 10:10 PM
 
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I strongly doubt that statistics can support your claim.

Smoking deaths out-number automobile deaths? Really?

With a quick Google I am told that Heart Disease is America's biggest killer. Which is preventable with lifestyle, diet, and medication.
And not smoking. Smoking causes more heart disease than it does lung cancer.
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Old 09-20-2023, 04:58 AM
 
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If it was cheap like it was in the 1980's i would go back to it.
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Old 09-20-2023, 05:12 AM
 
Location: Sydney Australia
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Cigarettes here cost $US26 a pack. Apparently the highest cost in the world.
But the new problem is vaping, legislation is coming to try to address this.
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Old 09-20-2023, 07:18 AM
 
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ironically it's been found that smoking helps with covid. in the lungs the bioweapon has less places to attack -- the smoke products occupy many of the landing spots. crazy stuff
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Old 09-20-2023, 01:41 PM
 
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Although only about 10% of US residents smoke, some in the medical field talk as if smoking is the nation's biggest health problem. Why? Maybe they are a disproportionate number of the patients?
Talking about the dangers of smoking is a major reason WHY so few U.S. residents smoke. Raising awareness of it led to the laws that ban it from workplaces, bars, and restaurants, as well as to the heavy taxes on it that put it out of reach of a lot of people. I hope people never stop talking about it.

That said, smoking is absolutely one of the worst things can do to your body. It causes all kinds of inflammatory conditions, puts a strain on your heart by narrowing your blood vessels, and is a known cause of both cancer and heart disease.

To the person who said "heart disease is the number 1 killer," yes, that is true--and a lot of that comes from smoking, in addition to obesity and type 2 diabetes, and, as in my case, crappy genetics (thanks, Dad). And it is a far more avoidable cause of death than obesity. You can choose not to smoke in the first place, so that you can never get addicted to it, and with the proper tools, you can quit so that you don't smoke at all. You cannot forego food entirely, and overweight and obesity are far more complex physically, psychologically, and socially than I can explain here without going off-topic.

Frankly, I think smoking, including vaping, oughta be outlawed entirely. There is absolutely nothing redeeming about smoking from a health perspective, and vaping is even worse, not only because it delivers a bigger hit of nicotine (thus prompting more dependence on it), but because of all the heavy metals and ingredients that are inhaled that are not only not FDA-approved for human exposure that way but downright destructive to your lungs.
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Old 09-20-2023, 01:51 PM
 
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ironically it's been found that smoking helps with covid. in the lungs the bioweapon has less places to attack -- the smoke products occupy many of the landing spots. crazy stuff
Actually... No. The research that was so widely misinterpreted had to do with nicotine, not smoking.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41533-021-00223-1

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...258-2/fulltext

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...crease-in-risk

By far, smoking leads to terrible outcomes in people who get COVID, not only because of the damage it has already caused to the lungs, but because it is associated with high blood pressure and heart disease, both of which put people at high risk for bad outcomes.
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Old 09-20-2023, 01:58 PM
 
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Actually... No. The research that was so widely misinterpreted had to do with nicotine, not smoking.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41533-021-00223-1

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...258-2/fulltext

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...crease-in-risk

By far, smoking leads to terrible outcomes in people who get COVID, not only because of the damage it has already caused to the lungs, but because it is associated with high blood pressure and heart disease, both of which put people at high risk for bad outcomes.
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Old 09-20-2023, 04:26 PM
 
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Coworker's wife just had a chunk of lung removed. They haven't smoked since the 80's.
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