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Old 06-25-2008, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Or i'll have to start to driving turned backwards to get sun on my other arm
Maybe you could drive an British car.
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Old 06-25-2008, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Atlanta suburb
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I have had experiences in several of these lines of discussion.

I, too, am very fair-skinned and had many severe sunburns as a child. One put me in the hospital in Rehobeth Beach, Delaware for 2 days with severe second degree burns. Vomiting, fever, headaches, disorientation, blistered painful skin, the works.

By the time I was 12 I had become allergic to the sun, meaning that any sun exposure caused me to break out in hives. I have since found out that I have always had Lupus and photosensitivity is one of the auto-immune syndromes associated with systemic Lupus.

I, more than ever, have to be sure to cover all of my skin daily with sunscreen, wear a hat outdoors, and try to limit my exposure even in the car.

My father developed many skin cancers, had a very olive easy-to-tan complexion, and finally succumbed to the treatment of a melanoma on his scalp.

My mother and sister both have had skin cancers removed. The removal of even a small skin cancer is disfiguring and not at all something you want to experience.

The ozone layer is allowing more of the sun's harmful rays to penetrate the atmosphere. Sunlight is healthful and allows our skin to absorb Vitamin D. It is a mood enhancer. My mother suffered from light-deprevation depression and had to use a light box throughout the winter months. The light helps one's body to produce endorphins, which is a very good thing.

The point here is that we all have different tolerances for both sunlight and the lack of sunlight. We should always consider moderation in all things and now, in our slowly depreciating earth, more than ever.

I hope that all will exercise caution in the sun. I feel that even with the "suspected" health risks from using sunscreens and sunblocks, their use far outweighs the almost inevitable risk of skin cancer and melonoma. There are one million cases of skin cancer a year in the US alone. That is 1,000,000, most of which could be prevented. Only a small percentage of these are deadly melanomas, but why risk even the treatment of a basal cell skin cancer when it is so preventable.

The Skin Cancer Foundation - 2008 Skin Cancer Facts

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Old 06-26-2008, 04:32 PM
 
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The previous post is very good. I am a dermatologist, and I'll throw in my opinion on this.

Vitamin D is important, and we may be getting less than we used to think--so in a sunny climate, 10 to 15 minutes of sun exposure a few times a week is enough to get the Vit D. Also take D3 supplements.

Otherwise, esp. if you are fair-skinned, use sunblock of spf 30 or more and reapply it generously if in the sun over an hour, or swimming, etc.

There is NO doubt that cumulative sun exposure (listen, those of you who say you tan gradually so you don't get burned) greatly increases the risk of precancers, basal cell, and squamous cell skin cancers.

Melanoma is a little more difficult to pin down, but there is no doubt that repeated sunBURNS, esp. at a young age, increase the risk. Repeated tanning bed use has been shown to increase risk of melanoma by 50 to 100 % in young women. Also, melanoma risks are higher in those with red or blond hair, blue eyes and fair skin. If you have an immediate family member with melanoma, the risk goes up further.

And let me add, lifetime risk of melanoma in the U.S. has gone from 1 in 1500 in the 1930's to about 1 in 65 currently. It is no longer rare.
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Old 06-27-2008, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I guess people didn't "lay out" as much, nor did they have tanning salons.
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Old 06-27-2008, 07:09 PM
 
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I NEVER use sunscreen becasue I am firmly convinced that the chemicals in suncreen are far more dangerous than exposure to the sun.!
I agree completely!!!

One day it will come out that sunscreen is highly carcinogenic. How can slathering chemicals on your (or even a baby's!) skin on a regular basis not be bad for you????

I don't put it on my kids either, unless we're going boating for a whole day or something. VERY rarely--maybe 2-3 times a year. I watch people putting it on their kids at the pool at 4:30pm day after day and think ugh...that cannot be good for them!!
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Old 06-27-2008, 07:14 PM
 
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I agree completely!!!

One day it will come out that sunscreen is highly carcinogenic. How can slathering chemicals on your (or even a baby's!) skin on a regular basis not be bad for you????

I don't put it on my kids either, unless we're going boating for a whole day or something. VERY rarely--maybe 2-3 times a year. I watch people putting it on their kids at the pool at 4:30pm day after day and think ugh...that cannot be good for them!!

Keep in mind that the ultraviolet rays from the sun are carcinogenic--and we know that for a fact. If you are that worried about the chemicals, get a sunblock that is labeled "chemical free" and/or has the only active ingredient being titanium or zinc.
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Old 06-27-2008, 07:25 PM
 
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The previous post is very good. I am a dermatologist, and I'll throw in my opinion on this.

Vitamin D is important, and we may be getting less than we used to think--so in a sunny climate, 10 to 15 minutes of sun exposure a few times a week is enough to get the Vit D. Also take D3 supplements.

Otherwise, esp. if you are fair-skinned, use sunblock of spf 30 or more and reapply it generously if in the sun over an hour, or swimming, etc.

There is NO doubt that cumulative sun exposure (listen, those of you who say you tan gradually so you don't get burned) greatly increases the risk of precancers, basal cell, and squamous cell skin cancers.

Melanoma is a little more difficult to pin down, but there is no doubt that repeated sunBURNS, esp. at a young age, increase the risk. Repeated tanning bed use has been shown to increase risk of melanoma by 50 to 100 % in young women. Also, melanoma risks are higher in those with red or blond hair, blue eyes and fair skin. If you have an immediate family member with melanoma, the risk goes up further.

And let me add, lifetime risk of melanoma in the U.S. has gone from 1 in 1500 in the 1930's to about 1 in 65 currently. It is no longer rare.

A few comments on this:

1. The 10-15 min. suggested applies only to fair-skinned people, so let's make sure people understand that. Black people need far more sun for the same benefit. Many black Americans are vit.D deficient b/c dermatology recommendations don't specify that skin tone is very relevant. Black people are putting on sunscreen and not able to produce enough vit. D. Very dark Africans need up to 3 hours/day which works out as they get that in Africa...it's harder for a very dark African living in Milwaukee...

2. No one is suggesting burning repeatedly is a good thing. If you are in a situation where you're going to burn, then yes, sunscreen would be appropriate (you're heading out to a boat for the day; you're going to be skiing in high altitude in the sun, etc).

3. I 100% disagree with the suggestion to slather on sunscreen and repeat regularly. Over and over the medical community has had to retract ideas they were SURE about. There is no way to logically (in my opinion) think that it is OK to slather chemicals on your skin over and over without negative consequences.

4. Yes, too much sun is not good. Wear a sunshirt, wear a hat, avoid the sun midday. These are precautions people used to take when they worked out in the fields all day. They rested in shade midday, they wore bonnets and hats and long-sleeved shirts. We, on the other hand, strip down to swimsuits and spend all day in the sun, slather on chemicals, and then blame ozone. I'm not saying ozone isn't a contributing factor, but sunscreen is not the solution. It will open up a myriad of other issues.

No offense to dermatologists or other "experts" but new information/knowledge of this nature often comes from outside the field as most drs just accept what they've been taught and don't question it.

Remember, there was a time not long ago when those who ate organic food were looked at as though they were completely insane by "mainstream" society...now we all accept the chemicals on food are not good for us (but apparently chemicals all over our skin are just fine?!?!)
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Old 06-27-2008, 08:04 PM
 
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Keep in mind that the ultraviolet rays from the sun are carcinogenic--and we know that for a fact. If you are that worried about the chemicals, get a sunblock that is labeled "chemical free" and/or has the only active ingredient being titanium or zinc.
That's where we disagree. I have done a lot of research and I do not believe the sun is carcinogenic when "used" in moderation. Sun shirts, hats, avoiding peak sun time is adequate. I am careful about these things and still do tons of outdoor activities.

Sunscreen is not necessary when proper precautions are taken. It is a health hazard, I believe, when used regularly.

Feel free to quote me on this in 10 years when it all comes out....
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Old 06-27-2008, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Missouri Ozarks
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I thought i was the only person (besides Cleopatra...lol...) to rub Olive Oil all over my skin especially when i go out in the Sun.
I know olive oil is good for our skin but is it good as an oil that protects from the sun?
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Old 06-27-2008, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Missouri Ozarks
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The previous post is very good. I am a dermatologist, and I'll throw in my opinion on this.

Vitamin D is important, and we may be getting less than we used to think--so in a sunny climate, 10 to 15 minutes of sun exposure a few times a week is enough to get the Vit D. Also take D3 supplements.

Otherwise, esp. if you are fair-skinned, use sunblock of spf 30 or more and reapply it generously if in the sun over an hour, or swimming, etc.

There is NO doubt that cumulative sun exposure (listen, those of you who say you tan gradually so you don't get burned) greatly increases the risk of precancers, basal cell, and squamous cell skin cancers.

Melanoma is a little more difficult to pin down, but there is no doubt that repeated sunBURNS, esp. at a young age, increase the risk. Repeated tanning bed use has been shown to increase risk of melanoma by 50 to 100 % in young women. Also, melanoma risks are higher in those with red or blond hair, blue eyes and fair skin. If you have an immediate family member with melanoma, the risk goes up further.

And let me add, lifetime risk of melanoma in the U.S. has gone from 1 in 1500 in the 1930's to about 1 in 65 currently. It is no longer rare.
I'm fairskinned, red hair and have had a skin cancer removed a couple years ago. I seldom use sunscreen unless I'm out in the sun for long periods of time which isn't that often but are you saying that unless people like me are out in the sun less than an hour that we don't need sunscreen? I'm usually careful but I have pink tinted skin after being in the sun for a little while but I seldom burn anymore.
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