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The fact that he praised pets for their loyalty and admiration of him but that he could abandon them without guilt is telling about his character and ability (or inability) to create and/or maintain emotional bonds.
Both were seekers of power and could kill thousands based on an agenda. Hitler is notable in the coldness of his plan, for the genocide was not simply killing but an entire mechanized industry. He killed more people in a shorter time frame, and if he had not been stopped he would have killed many many millions more of the "undesirables". Life was regimented and freedom was absent for those in both Germany and the Soviet Union. Both had concequences from their agendas which negatively impacted their ability to fight the war. Stalin purged his generals on a regular basis and his leadership was fairly mediocre at the start. But then who wants to be a general when its a death warrent? Hitler devoted so much of his resources to his goal of genocide that trains which could have been used to carry military supplies and troops, especially near the end of the war, were given to the SS as a priority over the army. Both were dictators who maintained themselves in part by using fear.
But think of this. I doubt many of those who post on c-d would be around long under either of them. They did not like people with oppinons and who thought for themselves. Take a few minutes and think about how it would be to live under a government in which you could litterally fear for your life or your children's lives should you dare to express doubt about the government, even in a private setting. Would you really be able to say nothing at all?
Absolutely correct ... we have been led to believe that Hitler and the Nazis were the absolute worst when in reality they were kindergarten students compared to Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc.
Stalin butchered 7 million people in the Ukraine between 1932 and 1933 alone. I won't even touch on Mao.
/// in the country 4 years Golodomor - became known after a withdrawal of troops of an Anglo-American coalition from Russia - in 1921 Probably, soldiers-interventionists sprech in the countries .
The USA have allocated 20 million dollars for purchase of the foodstuffs for Russia only in the end of 1921 on so-called "Russian Famine Relief Act".
Pay attention to figure. Jacob Shiff has given 20 million dollars to Trotsky on Genocide creation in Russia, and US president Garding new already by then has allocated 20 million dollars for purchase of the foodstuffs for Russia.
Bololand: The American relief Expedition to Soviet Russia in of 1921 ”. Bertrand M. Patenaude. 2002). Not to tell that it is the unique book in the USA and England on this question. That you have understood scales of hunger and a genocide untied by Trotsky and its company which already began to poison by then Lenin, In this set of photos of children's half-dead skeletons dying of hunger and mountain of children's corpses in children's homes. - is Russia and Ukraine 20 centuries. This book of Bertran Patenaud is necessary for publishing urgently in Russia and in Ukraine then corpses which propagation attributes to German concentration camps during war - actually archival dok in Russia during Golodomor.
They are concrete founders of Golodomor in Ukraine - there not in 1930th years / In 1918-1923 / http://www.zarubezhom.com/images/Rakovsky5.jpg
- Antons-Ovseenko, Rakovsky, Pjatkov, Emmanuil Jonovich Kviring .
Skripnik, Tambourines and Pokrovsk : http://zarubezhom.com/Images/RakovskyX6.JPG .
That still a photo of founders of Golodomor in Ukraine 1918-1923: http://zarubezhom.com/Images/Rakovsky4.JPG .
Khmelnitskiy, Ruhimovich, Judovsky, Voroshilov, Meshcherjakov, Podvojsky, Rakovsky, Skrypnik, Zatonsky. Main among them Rakovsky
To begin with it is necessary to itself to understand well that that huge help of Russia which has salvaged a part of the population from Golodomora, became possible only with change of the American president. Warren Harding has been poisoned by the international mafia, in two years after the beginning of the presidential term, but he has had time to salvage ten millions Russian. Americans estimate in this book number of the died hunger in not less than five millions hundred thousand persons - 5 100 000 people Almost all victim had for 1920-21 that is when Jew Vilson-Volfson – the obedient contractor of will of the international Jewish mafia was the US president still.))))))))))))))))
Both were horribly bad. Hitler had the holocaust involving Jews and Stalin had his holocaust involving the Ukrainians.
Hitler installed oppressive puppet govts. over his conquered territories (like Vichy France) and Stalin installed oppressive regimes over Eastern Europe.
I gave the nod to Hitler but Stalin is a 1A for worst.
Stalin didn't do " holocaust ". Actually . Trotsky was the organizer.
Thus it directs on the conclusion. Obviously, Stalin didn't play a role in processes, but tried to make a unique method - liquidation founders genocide . In Stalin's 1936 protective constitution has been entered, genocide founders have been destroyed. People of the USSR even had time once even to sigh deeply and to start to live usually. Stalin has forbidden abortions. What to give indemnification to loss. The caused 25 summer continuous genocide of the USSR. These measures support themselves. However Soviet Trotskist"s with global Euro ass have provided development of one more genocide - the Second World War.
Both were horrible men and had more in common with each other than not.
Ultimately, I think Hitler was worse. While Stalin may have killed more people (although there is some debate about this), had Hitler won, he would have easily eclipsed Stalin in butchery. Hitler was planning on "depopulating" captured territories to the east and even toyed with the idea of acquiring the African and Asian colonies of France and Great Britain and reintroducing slavery. Never mind the entire Nazi mindset was one of constant struggle from within and without. Hitler was concerned about Germans who were less than the Nazi ideal as well, but he had his hands full with the war, the Holocaust, and playing lower-ranking Nazis against each other. He had no objections to massive purges.
Communists think that if you kill enough people eventually you will achieve perfection, the Nazis believed that a stable state needed enemies and that if none existed that they would need to be created. Remember that line in 1984 about the future being a boot stamping on a human face forever? Well, that pretty much sums up the Nazis.
Stalin was very sporadic in his killing, as his paranoia brought him to killing randomly, or so it seemed. Deaths from gulags and purges brought his numbers anywhere from 3 to even 50 million!!!
Hitler knew his enemies (jews, political enemies, soviets, rivals) and his death count seems to go as high as 30 million. This, in theory, means that if you walked the line in Nazi Germany, and agreed with its policies, you could make it without much fear.
So, which one would you not want to rule you?
Who is the lesser of two evils?
First up, Stalin and Hitler were in the kindergarden compared to Mao.
Mao's great leap forward 1958-1962 was resposnoble for the death of at least 45 million Chinese people.
Cumulatively Mao was responsible for far more deaths if you look at the rest of his career in China and his support for sides in wars throughout Asia.
As regards Hitler and Stalin?
I would rate Stalin as being worse that Hitler in terms of casualties.
WW2 alone saw at least 27 million dead Soviets : Stalin literally threw millions of bodies on the line to stop Hitler.
Hitler's forces was responsible for the majority of those deaths but Stalin's
rule ensured that if volunteers didn't come forward, they were going to executed anyway.
Look at his pogroms during the 1930's.
Millions were either executed or sent to the gulags and worked to death.
Hitler? Well his body count runs in to millions as well but compared to Stalin his count is lower.
Both , of course, were psychopaths, but Stalin was also paranoid; if he even THOUGHT you were a potential threat, you were eliminated. These were evil men, through and through, but, for what it's worth, Hitler had some sense of culture and the arts; Stalin was an unlettered brute from Georgia. He was, though, ruthless, intelligent, and imbued with animal cunning.
If you failed Hitler, you may have still survived, and even enjoyed a forced retirement, as did a number of generals. With Stalin, at best a trip to the Gulag, or, more likely, a bullet in the back of the neck. Just think of the purges of the 1930's in the USSR, and, especially, how many senior Red Army oficers were executed, which came back to haunt old Joe in 1941.
From a personal standpoint, if I had lived back then. I would have been wary around Hitler, not necessarily fearful, but I would have been in a state of at least constant apprehension around Stalin, probably interrupted by bouts of sheer terror.
I think you make an excellent point.
With Hitler, if you failed even then there was chance of surviving.
If you did something right (right according to Hitler) you were safe.
With Stalin, even of you did something right (right according to Stalin), you could still be liquidated.
Stalin was deeply, deeply paranoid.
For no apparent reason even people who obeyed him to the very last letter of his command, found themselves executed or sent to a gulag.
He even gulaged members of his own family!
With Hitler, if you failed even then there was chance of surviving.
If you did something right (right according to Hitler) you were safe.
With Stalin, even of you did something right (right according to Stalin), you could still be liquidated.
Stalin was deeply, deeply paranoid.
For no apparent reason even people who obeyed him to the very last letter of his command, found themselves executed or sent to a gulag.
He even gulaged members of his own family!
Yes. In Stalin family and in government were Trockist "s (Citizens of the USA (I spoke about it)). Also at the time of Khruschev suppressed the facts about arrival of foreign citizens for revolution affairs. Actually. Stalin and Hitler had no big power during revolutionary affairs. Trotsky's crimes and its command "have pasted" to Hitler and Stalin.
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Absolutely correct ... we have been led to believe that Hitler and the Nazis were the absolute worst when in reality they were kindergarten students compared to Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc.
