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Old 04-21-2015, 06:02 AM
 
Location: Rainy Ulster.
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Im certainly no expert on accent, dialect or language but i can hear at least superficial similarities between these two. Appalachian and Ulster Scots.
And given that very many of the Appalachian people have Ulster Scots roots I cant help feeling that they sound remarkably similar in tone given the time and physical distance theyve been apart. And interestingly as I'm someone born and brought up in Ulster and who now lives beside the Ards peninsula which is one of the areas of rural areas of east and north Ulster where that accent just about clings on, its remarkable that i can understand the Appalachian one far better that the Ulster Scots. And like the old fella at the start of Appalachian vid, we also say poke for a bag. Especially older folk.


Ulster Scots



http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QkvMz_wI7zA


Appalachian.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=03iwAY4KlIU

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Old 04-22-2015, 11:44 PM
 
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The consensus among linguists is that North American English is more conservative - not just in pronunciation but in grammar and lexicon. Most features that distinguish American English are conservative and not innovative.

The OP should ask the reverse question, because it's British accents have changed the most since colonization.
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Old 04-23-2015, 04:11 AM
 
Location: Rainy Ulster.
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The consensus among linguists is that North American English is more conservative - not just in pronunciation but in grammar and lexicon. Most features that distinguish American English are conservative and not innovative.

The OP should ask the reverse question, because it's British accents have changed the most since colonization.
I would guess that might be because that in the hundred and fifty maybe two hundred years or so years after the establishment of the colonies, before mass eastern and southern European immigration to the US, most immigration was from the English speaking British Isles.
The colonies, then states, relative vast size and isolation meant that there would be a relatively minor influence on the spoken language from other languages such as French and Spanish from their colonies and the small amounts of the many native tongues on the frontiers. By the time of mass non English speaking immigration in the mid 19th century onwards, American English was already on its own ininimitable course. But with perhaps a century or so of minor linguistic isolationism while the US established itself as a growing and powerful nation.

During this time the UK was forging a global empire and engaging in numerous wars, mainly with its close European neighbours. The proximity of the continent, the close trade as well as conflict with the diverse countries of northern and western Europe as well as the influence of words and phrases brought back by returning administrators , soldiers and colonist from literally hundreds of diverse languages may have given the developement of British English a more diverse and polyglot feel.

All this might be complete ballix, as i am also no expert on the subject, but there might be some truth to it.

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Old 04-24-2015, 01:14 AM
 
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Im certainly no expert on accent, dialect or language but i can hear at least superficial similarities between these two. Appalachian and Ulster Scots.
And given that very many of the Appalachian people have Ulster Scots roots I cant help feeling that they sound remarkably similar in tone given the time and physical distance theyve been apart. And interestingly as I'm someone born and brought up in Ulster and who now lives beside the Ards peninsula which is one of the areas of rural areas of east and north Ulster where that accent just about clings on, its remarkable that i can understand the Appalachian one far better that the Ulster Scots. And like the old fella at the start of Appalachian vid, we also say poke for a bag. Especially older folk.


Ulster Scots



http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QkvMz_wI7zA


Appalachian.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=03iwAY4KlIU
You are absolutely correct. The Appalachian dialect and accent are related to Ulster Scots roots. And the reason why it has persisted for so long is because these folks have remained, even to this day (at least the older generations), somewhat isolated from the rest of the the US. There have been some fascinating documentary films made about this.
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