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Bold and red proves my point. If national security was number one reason of internment camps, then everybody on American soil should have been treated exactly the same.
Why ONLY Japanese-American citizens were singled out? Explain this to me, otherwise, there is no point to keep on "arguing."
Furthermore, on the basis of hemispheric security, the United States offered to intern allegedly dangerous enemy aliens living in Latin American countries and even recommended which enemy aliens should be interned. Over fifteen Latin American countries accepted the offer and eventually deported a total of over 6,600 individuals of Japanese, German, and Italian ancestry, along with some of their families, to the U.S. for internment. Few, if any, of those deported received any sort of a hearing so many did not know the specific reasons for their deportation. Often these individuals were deported based on hearsay or for other political reasons.
By the end of the war, over 31,000 suspected enemy aliens and their families, including a few Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany, had been interned at Immigration and Naturalization Services (INS) internment camps and military facilities throughout the United States.
Along with detainment and internment, the U.S. also implemented the Individual Exclusion Program under the authority of Executive Order 9066 to exclude individuals of German or Italian ancestry, including American citizens, from designated military zones. While the War Department considered thousands for exclusion, it only issued exclusion orders for several hundred individuals. Many enemy aliens living in military zones and elsewhere in America were subject to curfews and other restrictions on their conduct.
On that we will disagree and that is ultimately what I think our differing views on the issue stem from. Those who surrender liberty for security and all that.
I kind of see why we differ so much on this issue, you look at at from an ethical and emotional perspective and I don't. I believe that the only ethical thing during war is victory. I know that military commanders of all armies sacrifice their own units to achieve more pressing tactical and strategic objectives. It's not very ethical to sentence your own troops to death yet necessary in the battlefield.
Again, war is ugly. There is NOTHING romantic about it and winning is everything as often it is a difference between life and death, especially since we know how some of our adversaries treated our POWs and conquered populations. The only ethical thing in war is victory. Everything else during war is secondary.
By the end of the war, over 31,000 suspected enemy aliens and their families, including a few Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany, had been interned at Immigration and Naturalization Services (INS) internment camps and military facilities throughout the United States. Some of these internment locations included Sharp Park Detention Station, California; Kooskia Internment Camp, Idaho; Fort Missoula Internment Camp, Montana; Fort Stanton Internment Camp and Santa Fe Internment Camp in New Mexico; Ellis Island Detention Station, New York; Fort Lincoln Internment Camp, North Dakota; Fort Forrest, Tennessee; and Crystal City Internment Camp, Kenedy Detention Station, and Seagoville Detention Station in Texas.
I kind of see why we differ so much on this issue, you look at at from an ethical and emotional perspective and I don't. I believe that the only ethical thing during war is victory. I know that military commanders of all armies sacrifice their own units to achieve more pressing tactical and strategic objectives. It's not very ethical to sentence your own troops to death yet necessary in the battlefield.
Again, war is ugly. There is NOTHING romantic about it and winning is everything as often it is a difference between life and death, especially since we know how some of our adversaries treated our POWs and conquered populations. The only ethical thing in war is victory. Everything else during war is secondary.
Well, according to that article that you provided,
"Immediately after the bombing of Pearl Harbor, President Roosevelt issued Presidential Proclamations 2525, 2526, and 2527 to authorize the United States to detain allegedly potentially dangerous enemy aliens. The FBI and other law enforcement agencies arrested thousands of suspected enemy aliens, mostly individuals of German, Italian, or Japanese ancestry, living throughout the United States. "
I have absolutely no problems with that whatsoever. If they were "suspicious", then arrest them because like you said, war is ugly.
How can you justify putting thousands of INNOCENT citizens to the camp based on national security reasons? Can you prove these children, 80 year old women were the threats of national security? How can you possibly justify that?!
Key word: potentially dangerous enemy aliens. How can five year old children who were born here in the United States = potentially dangerous enemy aliens/ How can you possibly justify that?
By the end of the war, over 31,000 suspected enemy aliens and their families, including a few Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany, had been interned at Immigration and Naturalization Services (INS) internment camps and military facilities throughout the United States. Some of these internment locations included Sharp Park Detention Station, California; Kooskia Internment Camp, Idaho; Fort Missoula Internment Camp, Montana; Fort Stanton Internment Camp and Santa Fe Internment Camp in New Mexico; Ellis Island Detention Station, New York; Fort Lincoln Internment Camp, North Dakota; Fort Forrest, Tennessee; and Crystal City Internment Camp, Kenedy Detention Station, and Seagoville Detention Station in Texas.
Well, if your national security is number one reason of internment camp, THEN EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON AMERICAN SOIL should be put in the camp. Nobody can really prove certainly somebody is not potentially dangerous. So your point?
Well, according to that article that you provided,
"Immediately after the bombing of Pearl Harbor, President Roosevelt issued Presidential Proclamations 2525, 2526, and 2527 to authorize the United States to detain allegedly potentially dangerous enemy aliens. The FBI and other law enforcement agencies arrested thousands of suspected enemy aliens, mostly individuals of German, Italian, or Japanese ancestry, living throughout the United States. "
I have absolutely no problems with that whatsoever. If they were "suspicious", then arrest them because like you said, war is ugly.
Stop here. Do you see now how absurd your claim about singling out the Japanese was?
I believe that the only ethical thing during war is victory. I know that military commanders of all armies sacrifice their own units to achieve more pressing tactical and strategic objectives. It's not very ethical to sentence your own troops to death yet necessary in the battlefield.
Again, war is ugly. There is NOTHING romantic about it and winning is everything as often it is a difference between life and death, especially since we know how some of our adversaries treated our POWs and conquered populations. The only ethical thing in war is victory. Everything else during war is secondary.
You insist on comparing apples to oranges.
I don't support radical change of rules of engagement, but there is still rules of engagement if you want to talk about military. What a shame.
Stop here. Do you see now how absurd your claim about singling out the Japanese was?
No you stop.
Yes, they certainly singled out Japanese-Americans because ONLY Japanese-Americans have been put in the JAPANESE INTERNMENT camp. ONLY THEM.
If you want to defend your national security argument, then put everybody in the camp because nobody can really prove other citizens were not potentially dangerous.
Stop here. Do you see now how absurd your claim about singling out the Japanese was?
Are you kidding?! How can my argument be possibly absurd?
I said "if they acted suspicious, then arrest them because war is ugly."
How can you call a five year old who was born in the United States suspicious? How can you justify that?
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