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She was a secretary to a guy who only spent 11 years in prison. So what is she expected to get for filing some papers and typing some letters for him when she was 18?
All kidding aside, while I do not know enough about the woman's involvement in this case, not everyone who was a member of a political party within the government, should be prosecucted based on that alone.
So if this woman was personally responsible for decision making and/or directly participated in war crimes, then have at her.
But if it was just some low level person who mowed the lawn, cleaned the pool, shuffled paperwork, delivered the mail, etc., then no, she should not be treated like a war criminal.
To do so trivializes the actual horror perpetrated by the evil people who deserve to rot in hell for all eternity.
All kidding aside, while I do not know enough about the woman's involvement in this case, not everyone who was a member of a political party within the government, should be prosecucted based on that alone.
So if this woman was personally responsible for decision making and/or directly participated in war crimes, then have at her.
But if it was just some low level person who mowed the lawn, cleaned the pool, shuffled paperwork, delivered the mail, etc., then no, she should not be treated like a war criminal. To do so trivializes the actual horror perpetrated by the evil people who deserve to rot in hell for all eternity.
Great point. Also, what of those who allied with the Nazi's - Japan, obviously, but also Italy, Romania, Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia, the Serbs, Croatia, and others (Arab states, I think) I can't recall. Even Russia had a non-aggression pact with Hitler (which Hitler broke), and another with Japan (which Stalin broke in order to try and get spoils from Japan at the end of the war). Should all of the low-level workers in those countries face the same fate as Eichmann? There has to be classifications for guilt, otherwise should everyone in Germany have been executed at the war's end, when the majority (I think) never joined the Nazi Party? In fact, many were, with the bombing of the major cities.
Part of the cause for WWII was the punitive actions taken after WWI, if I remember correctly, and this is why there was so much "forgiveness" after WWII's end, with only the Nazi leaders and proven participants in the Holocaust being singled out for War Crimes.
I can't help but think there is at least some hatred for the Nazi's (Fascists) today because of their traditional hatred for the Communists, who have gained a lot of fans (and historical whitewashing) in recent years. Personally, I find both political ideologies equally reprehensible, with both having been responsible for the vast majority of the untimely deaths of the twentieth century. I'll say it again, Stalin and Mao were at least Hitler's, Mussolini's and Tojo's equals, and History would do well to remember this.
Germany's atrocities were 100x as reprehensible as any other nations, in terms of sadly being effective.
Poland had just 1,100 Jewish people alive by the end of WWII. A smaller quantity than would attend a high school basketball game in much of the USA.
Think you should look at some Russian and Chinese and Cambodian history under the communists. Of course, most of the victims were from their own country.
That's simply not true - WWII killed approximately sixty million people all-told. About 6 million were Germans, and less than four million were Japanese. Germany killed close to twenty million Russians, and Japan killed about twenty million Chinese alone. Victor Davis Hanson did a series about the war in which he said (paraphrased), "The war was unique in that the losing (Axis) side killed far more people then they themselves suffered. One of the greatest takeaways from WWII is that the Germans and Japanese were extremely ruthless and efficient killers".
I never knew that. Thanks.
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On a side note, far fewer people of responsibility were punished after the war in Japan than were punished in Germany. This is one reason both China and Korea both hold collective "grudges" against Japan even today.
I suspect more of them died at their own hands than in Germany. This is from a combination of the culture and McCarthur's rumored ruthlessness. We did not see, in Japan, people with serious blood on their hands becoming Prime Ministers. That did happen in Germany. Also, Japan's primary atrocities were focused outside of the country, in China, the Pacific Islands, Southeast Asia and on POW's. The war in all likelihood killed many of the perpetrators. In Germany there was a cosmetic "de-Nazification" which allowed important leaders such as Eichmann to escape. Israel kidnapped and tried him mostly to show the world its hypocrisy.
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One thing that is laughable to me is the moral podium most westerners put themselves on when talking about Nazi Germany, that "They would never have been part of such a ruthless and evil enterprise". I say "Bullspit" to that, they would have done whatever it took to survive, the same as the Jews who worked in the death camps, processing other Jews for extermination. Nobody knows what he or she would do in such a situation, and many psychological studies suggest it is far more likely one would choose to be a camp guard than to be shot or sent to the meatgrinder that was the Russian Front. I have to ask what modern Germans will do when they run out of 95 year-old former secretaries - will they visit the sins of the fathers upon their sons? Because that sure looks like the way we're heading in the U.S., specifically with "White Guilt" and the undercurrent of "reparations". What the proponents don't understand, is that they are laying the groundwork for future atrocities by doing so. Oh, well, another thread.
Quite true. Many of the "Judenrat" members (accent on last syllable) were not rewarded for their dubious "loyalty" to the Nazis. They were useful idiots and were often shot or gassed themselves.
Go after the JAPS that murdered more than Germany ever did.
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