"Stand your ground" OK now that it's a Black shooter? (Howe: home, school)

[Dopo]

Originally Posted by War Beagle

It's not illegal to follow someone or ask what they are doing. Trayvon could have told ZImmerman to go fly a kite. Instead he decided to beat the crap out of Zimmerman. One thing that has stood out during the Martin case is that a large portion of the black population seems to think it is acceptable to beat the crap out of someone for following or for saying something they don't like. Perhaps that is one reason a disproportionate number of blacks are in prison.

Anyway, liberals don't like stand your ground because it gets in the way of redistribution of income via crime.

Let me get this straight
- Self-defense with fists from somebody chasing you with a gun = Criminal
- Self-defense with a gun from somebody that is punching you = Law abiding citizen

I'd love to see everybody's reaction if Trayvon had had a gun to "defend himself" and Zimmerman didn't have one

[Huckleberry3911948]

yes i am afraid that the sword does not cut both ways. civil rights law was intended to provide a level playing field. it didnt. it just reversed the injustice.
of course for those who lust for paypack that are ok with that.
when a victim extracts vengeance there are no rules or fair play.

[GTRdad]

Originally Posted by Dopo

Let me get this straight
- Self-defense with fists from somebody chasing you with a gun = Criminal
- Self-defense with a gun from somebody that is punching you = Law abiding citizen

well simple common sense ...an attack comes first before any defense.
If there was a real chase there is no way a football player teen should not be able to get away from a fattie like GZ. obviously that didn't happen

[Oildog]

Originally Posted by Dopo

Let me get this straight
- Self-defense with fists from somebody chasing you with a gun = Criminal
- Self-defense with a gun from somebody that is punching you = Law abiding citizen

I'd love to see everybody's reaction if Trayvon had had a gun to "defend himself" and Zimmerman didn't have one

But once again you FAIL to acknowledge the fact that GZ was not CHASING TM with his gun out. (Why would TM be so stupid as to try and attack someone holding a gun).

You continue to be way off base...perhaps you should review the facts of the case.

[theSUBlime]

Originally Posted by Oildog

But once again you FAIL to acknowledge the fact that GZ was not CHASING TM with his gun out. (Why would TM be so stupid as to try and attack someone holding a gun).

You continue to be way off base...perhaps you should review the facts of the case.

Does it matter if he had the gun out or not? Maybe, but, if someone is coming at you (and you don't know why) in the middle of the night, I think most people would do one of two things: run or fight. It would have been smart if TM had asked why he was being followed. Then again, TM never had a reason to run in the first place because he wasn't doing anything wrong, so why wouldn't he fight? Again, it's not to say that TM was right, but lawful or not, he did what a lot of people would do - probably the same people that support GZ taking a gun on a neighborhood watch, when it's not generally advised by such associations. It would have been smart if GZ should have announced himself, but it escalated past that. It's clear that there was a struggle, TM was on top when he was shot, and GZ was injured - and that's probably the most that is concrete. Most of the other stuff is speculation. ither way, assumption met recklessness, in my opinion.

In any case, you have to recognize that Florida's self-defense laws don't require one to leave the situation, even if there is a way out. GZ was within the law as he describes the event, but those be some shady laws, in my opinion.

[Oildog]

Originally Posted by theSUBlime

Does it matter if he had the gun out or not? Maybe, but, if someone is coming at you (and you don't know why) in the middle of the night, I think most people would do one of two things: run or fight. It would have been smart if TM had asked why he was being followed. Then again, TM never had a reason to run in the first place because he wasn't doing anything wrong, so why wouldn't he fight? Again, it's not to say that TM was right, but lawful or not, he did what a lot of people would do - probably the same people that support GZ taking a gun on a neighborhood watch, when it's not generally advised by such associations. It would have been smart if GZ should have announced himself, but it escalated past that. It's clear that there was a struggle, TM was on top when he was shot, and GZ was injured - and that's probably the most that is concrete. Most of the other stuff is speculation. ither way, assumption met recklessness, in my opinion.

In any case, you have to recognize that Florida's self-defense laws don't require one to leave the situation, even if there is a way out. GZ was within the law as he describes the event, but those be some shady laws, in my opinion.

I don't think TM came at GZ from the front, and if the gun was pulled he certainly wouldn't have. But I agree with the rest of your point. Should GZ have been carrying a gun on a watch? Doubtful but it was within his right.

[theSUBlime]

Well the forensics guy says TM was on top when shot.

[Kuykendall]

Originally Posted by tstone

So it's evolutionary??

I think you know what I'm getting at.

[blkgiraffe]

Originally Posted by Oildog

But once again you FAIL to acknowledge the fact that GZ was not CHASING TM with his gun out. (Why would TM be so stupid as to try and attack someone holding a gun).

You continue to be way off base...perhaps you should review the facts of the case.

Are you people out of your mind??? Zimmerman was a stranger dude following TM. Anyone in that situation would have felt threatened. I still don't believe TM just randomly attacked this guy. That makes no sense.

Zimmerman strikes me as one of those type of people who overstep their boundaries and attempt to take the law into their own hands. Instead of playing his part as a neighborhood watchman; he tried to act like a cop.

[nana053]

Originally Posted by hendersj31

"Stand your ground" OK now that it's a Black shooter?


Probably

There was already a case before Trayvon Martin in Greece, NY where a black man walked after killing a white teen he thought was stealing from some parked cars.

Black man shoots unarmed white boy (twice) and gets away using self defense having NO INJURIES . - Page 1

snopes.com: Roderick Scott

This happened in 2009 and Roderick Scott, like Zimmerman was acquitted of manslaughter. The difference is that he was immediately arrested and charged and Zimmerman was not arrested until the outcry.