View Poll Results: Do you wait behind the line or in the intersection while waiting to turn left (while the light is gr
I wait behind the line, of course!
34 24.29%
I wait out in the intersection, duh!
97 69.29%
I never really thought about it.
9 6.43%
11-14-2009, 07:15 AM
Location: Houston/Brenham
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Indianspringsguy
Technically, you are breaking the law if you are in the intersection when the light is red. However, there is generally a wait time to let traffic clear. Police will give a ticket if you arein the intersection when the light is red and cameras at monitored intersections will take you photo and you will get a fine. Youyr will not clear the intersection in time generally before it becomes a problem for you (and others).
Have you not read any of this thread?
You are absolutely wrong, wrong, wrong. Heck, read jimmyev's post just a couple above you, where a judge threw out a ticket because being in an intersection when it turns red is not illegal.
I'll make this simple for you. In Texas, you are not running a red light if you have entered the intersection before the light turns red. Repeat: As long as any of your car has entered the intersection while the light is green or yellow, then you can continue thru the intersection legally, even if it turns red while you are exiting it.
This is Texas. Every state is different.
Oh, and the red-light cameras you mention? They look to see if you have entered the intersection after it turns red. Not if you are in it, if you entered it.
11-14-2009, 07:20 AM
Location: Texas
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People who pull out and wait in the intersection are inconsiderate, short-sighted, and rude. Not to mention accident-provoking, line-of-sight blocking asshats.
11-15-2009, 07:24 AM
Location: Houston/Brenham
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Originally Posted by
stan4
People who pull out and wait in the intersection are inconsiderate, short-sighted, and rude. Not to mention accident-provoking, line-of-sight blocking asshats.
No, actually that's the
approved way to turn left across traffic when you don't have a protected turn light.
Approved by the State of Texas. And based on my years of driving, it's practiced by about 90% of drivers.
The 10% that don't do it (I assume you are one) are
inconsiderate, short-sighted, and rude. Not to mention accident-provoking, line-of-sight blocking asshats.
Seriously, if you think it's wrong, why does the state allow it?
At a busy intersection, if you waited behind the line, and it turns red, you have to wait for the next cycle. If it's busy, you might wait for years. If you enter the intersection, at least one or two cars can turn.
11-15-2009, 07:53 AM
Location: Texas
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Most of the time I see this happen, there is a protected arrow. People just don't want to wait around for it. That's what I consider dangerous and accident-provoking. Plus, the people on the other side can't turn because the car in the intersection is blocking their view.
11-16-2009, 10:17 AM
Location: Houston/Brenham
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
stan4
Most of the time I see this happen, there is a protected arrow. People just don't want to wait around for it. That's what I consider dangerous and accident-provoking. Plus, the people on the other side can't turn because the car in the intersection is blocking their view.
If the intersection has a protected left-turn signal, then you are running a red light if you turn left when it's red. No one here is talking about that. Not sure what brought that into your post?
But if you have a green to turn, and it's not protected,
pull into the intersection. It's the law! I will agree, it can be challenging to see at some intersections depending on where cars are waiting, but one has to use some intelligence when driving. Although many don't.
11-19-2009, 08:50 PM
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Until finding this thread, I didn't know there was any confusion about left turns. I was taught to pull into the intersection. In the several different states I've lived in including Texas it was the norm. There is no intersection being blocked. When the light turns red, oncoming traffic stops, you make the left turn. No problem. The ones screwing everything up are those in the through lanes that run the light, causing the left hand lane to be delayed, and those who do not pull into the intersection for the left turn. You are hindering the smooth flow of traffic and are contributing to less vehicles making the left turn per cycle.
11-20-2009, 10:14 AM
Location: Houston/Brenham
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11thHour
Until finding this thread, I didn't know there was any confusion about left turns. I was taught to pull into the intersection. In the several different states I've lived in including Texas it was the norm. There is no intersection being blocked. When the light turns red, oncoming traffic stops, you make the left turn. No problem. The ones screwing everything up are those in the through lanes that run the light, causing the left hand lane to be delayed, and those who do not pull into the intersection for the left turn. You are hindering the smooth flow of traffic and are contributing to less vehicles making the left turn per cycle.
Very well said. However, with insight like this, we are going to have to revoke your drivers license. Please come back when you have no idea how to drive, and we'll give you one then.
11-20-2009, 11:23 AM
Location: Houston, TX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
astrohip
Whew, you scared me when I first started reading your post, thinking "No way they gave you a ticket!" Glad to see the judge understands the law.
What's surprising is that a cop would give you a ticket. It's not like this is news or anything. Been a law for years. Maybe he thought you wouldn't fight it.
Then she is just wrong. Wrong wrong wrong.
Well the eximiner knocked points off my test for doing this procedure. You can call wrong all you want, but if a officer cites you you'll have to take it up with the judge.
11-20-2009, 12:16 PM
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Oildog
Well the eximiner knocked points off my test for doing this procedure. You can call wrong all you want, but if a officer cites you you'll have to take it up with the judge.
First, if an examiner knocked points off for a legal maneuver, I would contest it. It's easy enough to find the statute, and file a complaint. OTOH, if I passed, I'd probably just grin & bear it.
And as far as an officer citing you, see jimmyev's post above. He was cited, went before a judge, who threw it out. I would probably file a complaint on this too, making sure the HPD was aware one of its officers is handing out tickets for no reason.
08-12-2010, 11:22 PM
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actually in the code says that you can get to the middle of the intersection when attempting to turn left on a two way traffic. In other words, you can wait there if you want or wait behind the line, but no cop can stop you for staying in the middle of the intersection waiting to turn left on a green light. Check the Texas transportation code 545.101 section c.
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Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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