12-15-2010, 11:01 PM
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Some photos from a Swedish Christmas (for more info see my previous post):
12-15-2010, 11:47 PM
Location: Wayward Pines,ID
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THAT is s serious gingerbread house
12-16-2010, 08:33 AM
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Wonderful pictures, Joox! Is there a Santa Lucia cake too?
12-16-2010, 08:38 AM
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CCF: I think I'm up to the challenge.
Every family has their own special take on the Christmas traditions so I will describe how my family celebrates Christmas.
In my family December 23rd is as important as Christmas eve, is not more important. That day we decorate the Christmas tree, make knäck (toffee), and a ginger bread house. My mom will make the Christmas ham - the centerpiece for the dinner on Christmas eve. The evening the 23rd is almost magical. After wrapping the Christmas gifts, we spend the evening coming up with rhymes for each gift. According to my dad a good rhyme has at least 4 lines and will be abstract enough to hint what gift is but without giving it away. While we come up with the rhymes we sit by the fireplace, drinking glögg, eating pepparkakor (ginger thins) with blue cheese - yes, it is really tasty! - and eating way too much candy.
Around midnight the ham is ready and it is time to taste it. One year my mom decided that it was not only the ham that we need to pre-taste before Christmas eve. Since then we have had a miniature version of the Christmas dinner the night before. We taste all the different kinds of sill (pickled herring) that my dad have made - red onion, muster, bell pepper, etc. We taste the ham, the meat balls, the sausages, the hard bread, the vörtbröd (CCF can you help me translate this), all the different kinds of cheeses, the red beat salad, etc. Not a small meal, but much smaller than the real Christmas dinner.
I usually go to bed after have nodded off in the sofa a couple of times. During the night my parents (my mom) prepare the stockings (yes, we still get Christmas stockings even now when my brother and I are grownups). When we wake up on Christmas morning (Dec 24th) there is a stocking hanging on the bedroom door nob. In the stockings there will be a magazine, a small gift, and a lot of candy. The candy in the stocking usually lasted a couple of days after Christmas eve. We have a slow morning where we recoup from the all-day rhyming and eating the day before. At lunch my parents usually freak out as they Christmas stress catch up with them as they prepare for the guests to come.
After years of comparing traditions with my friends I have understood that my family start the Christmas celebrations on Christmas eve quite late. It seems as most people start around lunch or so. In Sweden we have sort of odd tradition on Christmas eve which is to watch a TV show for an hour at 3pm. The show is almost the same every year. It goes under the name Kalle Anka's jul (Donald Duck's Christmas) and is basically short movies from Disney. The main part is the same every year, but in the end of the show they show clips from new Disney movies. In many Swedish homes they have already eaten Christmas dinner before 3pm and before the TV show. In my family, the guests has not yet arrived. My mom - which you might already have guessed - is a firm believer of Christmas traditions. She takes time to watch Donald Duck every year. Since many years back, she is sitting by the TV alone while the rest of the family frantically tried to get things before the guests arrives.
The guest are my gandmother (mormor), my cousins, and my mother's sister and her husband. The family that celebrates Christmas together has become smaller over the years. My other grandparents are dead, my favorite cousin moved abroad, and so on. This year I'm in Idaho... They guests usually arrives at 5pm.
When they arrives they put the gifts they brought with them under the Christmas tree. Then we drink glögg, eat ginger thins, and relax by the fireplace. Not to long after we start getting the "smorgasbord" ready. A traditional Swedish Christmas dinner is like a buffé. It has everything from a variety of pickled herring, sharp cheeses, homemade hard bread, vörtbröd (dark soft bread), smoked sausages, meat balls, small sausages (prinskorvar), etc. As mentioned above the ham is the centerpiece. It usually has a mustard/bread crums crust. We eat slices of ham with sweat & strong mustard on a slice of bread. In my family we also have "dopp i grytan" which is the broth from cooking the ham which has been spiced with herbs. The broth is kept warm and we dip slices of bread in it. It's an old tradition that I think many Swedish families has abandoned. In Sweden cabbage is a Christmas tradition. The kind of cabbage and how it is prepared differs depending in what part of Sweden you live. In my family we eat red cabbage that is cooked with sugar, spices and vinegar. It is sweat and tangy.
To the meal we (adults) drink beer and snaps, and the kids drink julmust (Christmas must) which is a soft drink that sort of looks like Coke, but taste better. No, I'm not biased at all
Since we drink snaps, we also sing snaps songs. You are supposed to sing a little song before you drink it - for every sip - and of course we all sing together. It surly sounds "lovely"...
When we have eaten way too much it is time for the dessert - Ris ala Malta. Rice porridge mixed with whipped cream. In my family we put an almond in the Ris ala Malta bowl. I remember fearing that I would find the almond on my plate. The person that finds the almond is supposed to come up with a little rhyme on the fly. I don't mind rhyme, but I'm not good at doing it on the fly.
As a kid I remember the period following the dinner as the longest hour on Christmas eve. All the grownups were talking and talking and talking and drinking coffee. As a kid waiting for the gift opening, the grownups coffee craving was close to torture.
Now when we are all grownups we have introduced a little game while drinking coffee. Everyone is require to bring two small gifts for $7 or such. The game is simple. All gifts are placed in the middle of the table. Every one take turns and toss a dice. If getting number 6 you are allowed to take a gift of your choice and place it in front of you. When all the gifts are gone from the middle of the table we set an alarm for 15 minutes (and hide the alarm clock so that no one can keep track of the time). Then we take turns to toss the dice again. If getting the number 6 you are allowed to take a gift from someone else. Since there has been some concerns that it would be unfair if someone ended up without a gift you are not allowed to take a gift from a person that only has one gift in front of them. When the alarm rings the game ends and the gifts in front of you are yours. The game is usually more fun than the gifts themselves. Which is sort of the whole point. After the game and coffee we move to the living room and start to hand out the "real" gifts.
The gift opening is a process in it self in my family. One of us is the designated Tomtenisse (Santa's little helper). One gift is picked up underneath the Christmas tree and the tomtenisse reads the rhyme on it. The person whom is receiving the gift gets to guess what it is before opening the gift. Everyone watch as the gift is unwrapped and then adores the gift for a while. Then we move on to the next gift. While handing out the gifts one by one we also eat more candy, ginger thins, and drink glögg. At this time the hard liquor is brought out. In my family Scotch is a big hit (not only at Christmas).
The gift opening process is more of an social event than a frantic ripping of wrapping paper. Therefore it has a habit of taking a couple of hours. When done it is usually quite late and it is time for people to head home.
On Christmas day (Dec 25th) we don't do much else than eat candy from the stockings, watch TV, go for a walk, and just hang out at home. On the second day after Christmas we usually have dinner at my grandmother's where the whole family get together again.
Hmm....this ended up being a little longer than I anticipated. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that I'm a bit homesick during the holiday season.
I LOVED reading this. Sounds wonderful. And I remember pepperkakor from the Pippi Longstocking books.
12-16-2010, 12:47 PM
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Thanks Joox,
12-16-2010, 09:06 PM
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THAT is s serious gingerbread house
Thank you elousv! The last few years I have made two gingerbread houses - one for myself and one for my parents. I don't really know how that came to be since my mom usually made her own gingerbread house. I think she sort of outsourced it to me.
It feel a bit strange not to make a gingerbread house this year, but since I'm going to New York for Christmas I decided not to engage in my usual Christmas traditions. I'm starting to regret it now though.
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Wonderful pictures, Joox! Is there a Santa Lucia cake too?
We usually eat pepparkakor and lussebullar (saffron buns) at Lucia. No specific Lucia cake.
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Thanks Joox,
Did you know that I'm from Göteborg?
Beautiful city. I miss it a lot.
Last winter
Close to where I used to live:
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Sorry for turning this thread into a Swedish one. I hope you don't mind too munch
12-16-2010, 10:29 PM
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Nonsense, this is a PORCH, a virtual porch, but a porch nonetheless. Just imagine you came over to my porch and we started talking and drinking Glogg. And no I have no idea how to make the two special dots on top of the 'o'.
12-16-2010, 10:57 PM
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Just dropped in, and what do I see? The Porch all decorated in Swedish style, and full of good cheer, gingerbread fragrance, and stories! That's wonderful. Thanks so much for sharing your traditional Christmas with us, Joox!
12-16-2010, 11:21 PM
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Nonsense, this is a PORCH, a virtual porch, but a porch nonetheless. Just imagine you came over to my porch and we started talking and drinking Glogg. And no I have no idea how to make the two special dots on top of the 'o'.
If you copy/paste one that you see in a post, and put it into a new post, the CDF board software will display it correctly. Myself, I have a text clipping with all special characters which makes it easier for me.
12-17-2010, 02:41 PM
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God jul och gott nytt år :
Those are some great posts and photos folks. I especially like the custom of opening the presents over a 2 hour period. It is much better than ripping everything open and having it done in minutes.
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Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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