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Old 07-10-2010, 08:15 PM
 
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Can you actually be that thick? The original link I posted is the link to Zogby International. It is as I said, you didn't even bother to read the page other than to find out that the poll, which has been released to various news agencies, had been annotated and explained by a Washington Times writer on Zogby International's own website. The full poll has not yet been released to the public at large, but the link is to Zogby's own website.

You simply dismiss it out of hand because it doesn't line up to your "scary, scary boogyman, white supremacist, racists under every rock" view of the world.

Zogby International (http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.cfm?ID=19093 - broken link) Please notice the link itself reads "Zogby International."
It's linked to a blog on Zogby's website. A freakin blog. No actual links to the actual poll, which according to you is top secret only available to journalists and anti immigration organizations. Funny how Zogby has many other polls available to the public. The article is dated 2009 and it has yet to be released. Something tells me this poll will never be released to the public. Even the author refers to the poll as "[SIZE=2]The CIS poll" [/SIZE]
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Old 07-11-2010, 08:05 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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It's linked to a blog on Zogby's website. A freakin blog. No actual links to the actual poll, which according to you is top secret only available to journalists and anti immigration organizations. Funny how Zogby has many other polls available to the public. The article is dated 2009 and it has yet to be released. Something tells me this poll will never be released to the public. Even the author refers to the poll as "[SIZE=2]The CIS poll" [/SIZE]
Various entities hire Zogby to perform polls. Just because CIS commissioned this one doesn't make it any less valid. In researching the Zogby International site, I have found that they do not link the actual polls, merely the interpretations--something you would have found out had you bothered to read any further than the by-line.

Having found this posted by another news agency works just fine for me and I'm sure it does so for the majority of those posting on this forum. You're like a baby pit bull. You sink your teeth into what you perceive as flaws and then you gnaw it ad nauseum. Most reasonable people would have realized by now that they are merely talking themselves in circles while appearing extremely petty and puerile.

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Old 07-11-2010, 08:10 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Various entities hire Zogby to perform polls. Just because CIS commissioned this one doesn't make it any less valid. In researching the Zogby International site, I have found that they do not link the actual polls, merely the interpretations--something you would have found out had you bothered to read any further than the by-line.
the Zogby poll is not invalid, but the reporting of the poll can be creative. There are many examples of the reporter from CIS and others have left crucial information off or reworded poll questions in their reporting of poll results thus skewing the true meaning of the results.
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Old 07-11-2010, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Texas
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the Zogby poll is not invalid, but the reporting of the poll can be creative. There are many examples of the reporter from CIS and others have left crucial information off or reworded poll questions in their reporting of poll results thus skewing the true meaning of the results.
try reading the whole thing before you go off

Public Opinion in Mexico on U.S. Immigration: Zogby Poll Examines Attitudes | Center for Immigration Studies
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Old 07-11-2010, 08:41 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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I have, if you notice the poll was done in mid-late 2009 and reported in oct 2009 byCIS...this is an old poll.



relax its sunday...I was speaking of polls in general on this forum...nobody is picking on you.
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Old 07-11-2010, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I have, if you notice the poll was done in mid-late 2009 and reported in oct 2009 byCIS...this is an old poll.



relax its sunday...I was speaking of polls in general on this forum...nobody is picking on you.
you are right, relax is good advice for all of us including you
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Old 07-11-2010, 12:46 PM
 
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Seroiusly would you if you lived i mexicao with its corrupt history of leadership and lack of sconomic progress. the fact that so many risk so mcuh to leave the country is evident of that. Even americans going there are going for one reason.That their situation form having lived here makes them amoung the well off there.
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Old 07-11-2010, 03:48 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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the Zogby poll is not invalid, but the reporting of the poll can be creative. There are many examples of the reporter from CIS and others have left crucial information off or reworded poll questions in their reporting of poll results thus skewing the true meaning of the results.
Yeah, it's a Washington Post writer who looked at the poll, and then wrote an article on the results--not a CIS reporter.

The Washington Post is not exactly known to be politically to the right.

I swear....do folks just comment on stuff they never read?
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Old 07-11-2010, 06:31 PM
 
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Yeah, it's a Washington Post writer who looked at the poll, and then wrote an article on the results--not a CIS reporter.

The Washington Post is not exactly known to be politically to the right.


I swear....do folks just comment on stuff they never read?
You are correct. Washington Post leans way to the left.

Washington Times is the right version, but that, too, is swinging left as of late.
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Old 07-11-2010, 07:58 PM
 
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Various entities hire Zogby to perform polls. Just because CIS commissioned this one doesn't make it any less valid. In researching the Zogby International site, I have found that they do not link the actual polls, merely the interpretations--something you would have found out had you bothered to read any further than the by-line.
Wrong, here is a poll on the Zogby International site.

Zogby International


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Yeah, it's a Washington Post writer who looked at the poll, and then wrote an article on the results--not a CIS reporter.
Show me the poll on the Zogby site. No original information of this secret poll exists on the Zogby website, no info regarding the methodology, sampling, etc..
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