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Old 10-04-2010, 09:42 AM
 
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What is American law regarding illegal immigration?
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Old 10-04-2010, 12:09 PM
 
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Google is your friend. What difference does it make anyway since they aren't enforced.....
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Old 10-04-2010, 01:53 PM
 
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What is American law regarding illegal immigration?
The Federal Government treats border crossing and being in the US without proper documentation as an "Admistrative" offense. In the view of the Federal Government, simply deporting the individual is corrective. No punitive action is assesed unless the individual is habitual in crossing the border.
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Old 10-04-2010, 03:33 PM
 
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The Federal Government treats border crossing and being in the US without proper documentation as an "Admistrative" offense. In the view of the Federal Government, simply deporting the individual is corrective. No punitive action is assesed unless the individual is habitual in crossing the border.
It is a felony if caught crossing our border again illegally after being deported. The first offense needs to be made a more serious offense. It doesn't make sense to give a slap on the wrist the first time but a severe penalty such as a felony the second time.
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Old 10-07-2010, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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It is a felony if caught crossing our border again illegally after being deported. The first offense needs to be made a more serious offense. It doesn't make sense to give a slap on the wrist the first time but a severe penalty such as a felony the second time.
I agree, first offense should be a felony. Second should be a mandatory prison term followed by deportation. That would be a start at real comprehensive immigration reform.
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Old 10-08-2010, 09:02 AM
 
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Google is your friend. What difference does it make anyway since they aren't enforced.....
Exactly.

There are number of laws that could take care of the illegal problem but none of them is ever enforced.

Stepping over the border in itself is a crime - not a felony but a misdemeanor crime but it's not enforced. Returning after deportation is a felony crime but nothing is done with those who commit this crime.

Working illegally is another crime - someone coming illegally to shop or just stand there isn't as serious but once they take a job they're in another category of criminals.

Identification theft and the use of stolen documents is a felony crime but with illegals the government not only looks the other way but is promising all kinds of rewards like easy citizenship and free college for those who break this law.

Driving without insurance and drivers licenses is another law that illegals are not expected to follow.

And of course hiring illegals is a crime but again - just another law that the government does not enforce.

Even trafficking drugs is a crime, but what happens when a couple border agents injure a drug trafficker? The agents are thrown in prison for daring to try to stop a drug trafficker and the drug trafficker is given all the free medical care at a US military hospital and a border crossing card.
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Old 10-08-2010, 10:10 AM
 
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Exactly.

There are number of laws that could take care of the illegal problem but none of them is ever enforced.
lets check the record...

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Stepping over the border in itself is a crime - not a felony but a misdemeanor crime but it's not enforced. Returning after deportation is a felony crime but nothing is done with those who commit this crime.
more than 390,000 aliens were deported last year, and many thousand incarcerated for repeat border crossings...acording to DHL/ICE report.

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Working illegally is another crime - someone coming illegally to shop or just stand there isn't as serious but once they take a job they're in another category of criminals.
Yes working in the US without proper documentation is a not allowed, but the crime is in the hirring of the undocumented worker.

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Identification theft and the use of stolen documents is a felony crime but with illegals the government not only looks the other way but is promising all kinds of rewards like easy citizenship and free college for those who break this law. Identity theft is a felony and both citiaens and non-citizens are procecuted.
The Supreme Court ruled that local law enforcments agencies could not charge illegal aliens with the more serious charge of Identy Theft (without proof) solely for purpose of deportation. The Court also ruled that the act of using false(made up) Social security numbers did not measure up the the willfull theft of one's personal information for profit.

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Driving without insurance and drivers licenses is another law that illegals are not expected to follow.
All drivers are expected to have a License and Insurance. which State does not require a driver to have either...regardless of their immigration status?

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And of course hiring illegals is a crime but again - just another law that the government does not enforce.
... "Over the past year, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has conducted audits of employee files at more than 2,900 companies. The agency has levied a record $3 million in civil fines so far this year on businesses that hired unauthorized immigrants, according to official figures. Thousands of those workers have been fired, immigrant groups estimate.

Employers say the audits reach more companies than the work-site roundups of the administration of President George W. Bush. The audits force businesses to fire every suspected illegal immigrant on the payroll — not just those who happened to be on duty at the time of a raid — and make it much harder to hire other unauthorized workers as replacements."

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Even trafficking drugs is a crime, but what happens when a couple border agents injure a drug trafficker? The agents are thrown in prison for daring to try to stop a drug trafficker and the drug trafficker is given all the free medical care at a US military hospital and a border crossing card.

(2008) Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean are serving more than 10 years each[THEIR SENTENCES HAVE BEEN COMMUTED] for shooting Osvaldo Aldrete Davila in the buttocks while he was fleeing from an abandoned van loaded with 750 pounds of marijuana.



The men argued that they thought Davila, a Mexican, was armed. They were convicted two years ago in federal court in Texas of assault, civil rights violations and other charges. Davila later pleaded guilty to smuggling following another incident and also was sentenced to 10 years in prison.
This is an atyipcal smmugling case...This is the more typical case-

YUMA, Ariz. – Four suspects are in custody suspected of smuggling marijuana near the Colorado River on Wednesday evening.

Border Patrol agents from the Yuma Station discovered seven people trying to enter Arizona illegally near County 11th Street and the Colorado River.

Agents tracked down the four men arrested and seized makeshift backpacks full of marijuana.

Three of the smugglers returned to Mexico to avoid arrest.

In total 294 pounds of marijuana was seized with an estimated value of $235,200.

The four suspects are in the custody of the Yuma County Narcotics Task Force.
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Old 10-08-2010, 11:21 AM
 
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"Yes working in the US without proper documentation is a not allowed, but the crime is in the hirring of the undocumented worker".

No, it is crime committed by both the employer and the illegal worker.
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Old 10-08-2010, 02:21 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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"Yes working in the US without proper documentation is a not allowed, but the crime is in the hirring of the undocumented worker".

No, it is crime committed by both the employer and the illegal worker.
Thanks for the clarification, but statement never said the only the employer was culpable.
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Old 10-08-2010, 10:12 PM
 
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Let me "clarify" something. Federal LAW says any male between 18 and 26 who lives here alien or not.illegal alien or not ALL MUST REGISTER WITH THE SELECTIVE SERVICE. Any illegal who has not done this has broken a federal law..........they dont enforce it either except on our legal american sons..
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