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Old 12-18-2010, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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now, let me get this straight: it is the fault of the Republicans this bill did not pass. The vote was 41 yes, 55 no; there are not anywhere near 55 Republican senators, so are some of you saying, the Republican senators voted twice???

Let's be honest, this was a by-particin rejection of a bill that was not thought out.

Do we need something? Yes, but first, as mentioned, we need to secure the borders, we need to clamp down on employers who hire illegals, we need to make it not so attractive for illegals to come to America and only then can we try and solve the problem of children who have been part of our society for years by no choice of their own.

The idea of require them to join the military or go to a 2 year JC isn't nearly restrictive enough: I agree with Bentbow: college degree or 2 year degree in hand with good grades or completion of 3 years in the militray. Add to that requiring them to apply for citizenship and pay a fine. When all those requirements are meant and the children have been in absolutely no legal trouble, they can be given amnesty..

Nita
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Old 12-18-2010, 12:22 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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If we made it harder for DREAMIES to become Citizens than those coming legally there would be less illegal immigration in my opinion.

We shouldn't reward cheating in any form.
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Old 12-18-2010, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Tokyo (but will always be) Phoenix, Az
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We Americans have proved to those illegal alien sumbags, that this is our country. Now while they riot in the streets, I'd love to see how Obama handles this.
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Old 12-18-2010, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Importing poor is never good for your tax base and social services.

Isn't that what we've always imported? Is the nation worse off because of it?


Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"---Emma Lazarus.
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Old 12-18-2010, 12:53 PM
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now, let me get this straight: it is the fault of the Republicans this bill did not pass. The vote was 41 yes, 55 no; there are not anywhere near 55 Republican senators, so are some of you saying, the Republican senators voted twice???
I'm pretty sure the vote was 55 yes - 41 no. 3 repubs yes & 5 dems no.
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Old 12-18-2010, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Immigration End Game: DREAM Act Defeated in the Senate

Harry Reid's pro-amnesty supporters will not be happy with his failure to deliver.
Wasn't a vote on the act, it was a vote on if to discuss it.

Why were some of the politicians not willing to debate it?
Isn't that their job they are paid to do, and not just sweep it under the rug.
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Old 12-18-2010, 12:58 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Wasn't a vote on the act, it was a vote on if to discuss it.

Why were some of the politicians not willing to debate it?
Isn't that their job they are paid to do, and not just sweep it under the rug.

They voted that part of the deal, was a waste of taxpayers time.
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Old 12-18-2010, 12:59 PM
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Wasn't a vote on the act, it was a vote on if to discuss it.

Why were some of the politicians not willing to debate it?
Isn't that their job they are paid to do, and not just sweep it under the rug.
I believe it was a vote to end debate. Now they can continue to debate it as long as they want. They just can't vote on it.
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Old 12-18-2010, 01:02 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Isn't that what we've always imported? Is the nation worse off because of it?


Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"---Emma Lazarus.

Some where since then we've realized we cannot support the World. Ever heard of a stall stuff? We've had immigration laws for quite some time now.

This is a play right out of the move Avatar. We have been heard, now we just need to send them packing. We do more for other Nations than any other on the planet. It doesn't always have to be "let them in".

Is our Nation more worse off because of illegal immigration? You bet it is, since about 1980.
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Old 12-18-2010, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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We Americans have proved to those illegal alien sumbags, that this is our country. Now while they riot in the streets, I'd love to see how Obama handles this.
read it and weep.........he STILL doesn't "get it"


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President Barack Obama expressed disappointment today that the Senate blocked a bill that would have granted a path to citizenship for certain immigrants who serve in the military, but vowed to continue pressing for its passage.
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Obama released a statement following today’s vote, expressing frustration that the Senate hadn’t done “what most Americans understand is best for the country.”
Defense.gov News Article: Obama Vows to Press on as Senate Blocks DREAM Act

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President Obama says 'common sense did not prevail' after the 55-41 vote on the contentious immigration measure.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,4190962.story

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