A Bipartisan Proposal: Changing 14th in exchange for passing DREAM Act (2014, health care)
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Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Originally Posted by Bostonian123
Republicans will propose a deal with Democrats. Republicans will vote for the DREAM Act in exchange for the Democrat's support on a bill to modify the 14th Amendment to close the anchor baby loophole.
Since this bill will be an amendment to an amendment, it will still require ratification by 3/4 of States.
Dream Act is contingent on 3/4 of States ratification.
Is there a link to that?
I haven't anything about this issue on the web.
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Originally Posted by Benicar
The 14th Amendment should not be used as a bargaining chip for the passage of the DREAM Act. We MUST end the abuse of Birthright Citizenship for the betterment of our country; whereas, the current DREAM Act is a reward for lawlessness, and is not an imperative.
I would consider supporting the DREAM Act only if it had the following requirements:
- Must have verifiable proof of being brought to this country under the age of 12.
- Must have at least a 4-year degree in the fields of science, technology, engineering, education, or others that will actually benefit this country; or currently within 30 credits from completion of a 4-year degree, which must be completed within 18 months from the date of enactment.
- No tax-funded benefits, including in-state tuition.
- No chain migration or sponsorship of parents, EVER.
- No criminal background, including working using a fake or stolen SSN, or any fraudulent behavior. A violation after legalization will result in immediate deportation.
- Only those with the aforementioned qualifications on the date of enactment of the DREAM Act will be eligible. No provisions for “future” DREAMies.
- Must submit to an exhaustive criminal background check and medical exam, at their expense.
- DREAM Act application fees of at least $5,000, payable in advance.
- No exceptions!
This may seem harsh, but the current DREAM Act is ripe for fraud, is much too lenient, and is essentially piecemeal amnesty. It would also serve as another incentive for illegal immigration.
And "No Legalization until after "total completion" of each requirment.
The 14th Amendment should not be used as a bargaining chip for the passage of the DREAM Act. We MUST end the abuse of Birthright Citizenship for the betterment of our country; whereas, the current DREAM Act is a reward for lawlessness, and is not an imperative.
I would consider supporting the DREAM Act only if it had the following requirements:
- Must have verifiable proof of being brought to this country under the age of 12.
- Must have at least a 4-year degree in the fields of science, technology, engineering, education, or others that will actually benefit this country; or currently within 30 credits from completion of a 4-year degree, which must be completed within 18 months from the date of enactment.
- No tax-funded benefits, including in-state tuition.
- No chain migration or sponsorship of parents, EVER.
- No criminal background, including working using a fake or stolen SSN, or any fraudulent behavior. A violation after legalization will result in immediate deportation.
- Only those with the aforementioned qualifications on the date of enactment of the DREAM Act will be eligible. No provisions for “future” DREAMies.
- Must submit to an exhaustive criminal background check and medical exam, at their expense.
- DREAM Act application fees of at least $5,000, payable in advance.
- No exceptions!
This may seem harsh, but the current DREAM Act is ripe for fraud, is much too lenient, and is essentially piecemeal amnesty. It would also serve as another incentive for illegal immigration.
I tried to rep you again but....anyway, as always, excellent post.
The original interpretation of the 14th amendment didn't demand that everyone who was born in the U.S. was to become a citizen.
The clause which restricts it's application to those who were "subject to the U.S. jurisdiction" was meant to include freed slaves, but exclude native Americans who retained their allegiance to their tribe. And so for decades after the passage of the 14th amendment, tribal members were not given american citizenship precisly because they were subject to the jurisdiction of their tribe. It wasn't until the next century that citizenship was given to all Native Americans, but that was done by statute, not by the 14th amendment.
So the question is, are illegal aliens more like freed slaves, or are they more like members of a tribe? I think they are more like members of a tribe, in that they are not subject to the U.S. jurisdiction in the sense the 14th amendment is using the term (they can't be drafted, vote, etc.)
The Supreme Court has begun misinterpreting the 14th amendment, but there is a chance the states can send up a challenge that will allow them to be re-educated on what it's original intent was. Then no amendment would be needed.
is this an original idea? or do you think anyone has already thought on this...?
do you know the process for changing an amendment to the US
constitution?
It was done when the 21st admendment repealed the 18th. What is the big deal ? Other countries have changed their laws on this subject, why is it so hard for people to accept that America needs to change thiers also.
The 14th Amendment should not be used as a bargaining chip for the passage of the DREAM Act. We MUST end the abuse of Birthright Citizenship for the betterment of our country; whereas, the current DREAM Act is a reward for lawlessness, and is not an imperative.
I would consider supporting the DREAM Act only if it had the following requirements:
- Must have verifiable proof of being brought to this country under the age of 12.
- Must have at least a 4-year degree in the fields of science, technology, engineering, education, or others that will actually benefit this country; or currently within 30 credits from completion of a 4-year degree, which must be completed within 18 months from the date of enactment.
- No tax-funded benefits, including in-state tuition.
- No chain migration or sponsorship of parents, EVER.
- No criminal background, including working using a fake or stolen SSN, or any fraudulent behavior. A violation after legalization will result in immediate deportation.
- Only those with the aforementioned qualifications on the date of enactment of the DREAM Act will be eligible. No provisions for “future” DREAMies.
- Must submit to an exhaustive criminal background check and medical exam, at their expense.
- DREAM Act application fees of at least $5,000, payable in advance.
- No exceptions!
This may seem harsh, but the current DREAM Act is ripe for fraud, is much too lenient, and is essentially piecemeal amnesty. It would also serve as another incentive for illegal immigration.
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Originally Posted by All American NYC
Why are we Bartering our Borders????????????
NO NO NO NO NO
How many DREAMies would even pass ALL of Benicars list? 25 maybe?
Harsh but probbaly accurate.
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