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463K apprehended nation-wide FY2010 is an amount above the past years averages.
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"For every illegal caught, three escape detection" Do you mean to say...For every illegal caught attempting to cross the borders without proper authorization, three escape detection" ? "Attempting to cross the borders" is a very important distinction.
The theory is for every alien apprehended attempting to cross the border without proper authorization, 3 aliens enter the US without proper authorization undetected. The theory is a best guess estimate. There is no positive way any agency[Border Patorl included] can give an accuate account of the "Un-detected".
463K apprehended nation-wide FY2010 is an amount above the past years averages.
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"For every illegal caught, three escape detection" Do you mean to say...For every illegal caught attempting to cross the borders without proper authorization, three escape detection" ? "Attempting to cross the borders" is a very important distinction.
The theory is for every alien apprehended attempting to cross the border without proper authorization, 3 aliens enter the US without proper authorization undetected. The theory is a best guess estimate. There is no positive way any agency[Border Patorl included] can give an accuate account of the "Un-detected".
Words have meaning...so does their omission.
If they only “attempt” to cross the border they have failed to enter. Right? According to the Border Patrol, for each apprehended (at the border), an estimated 3 have managed to enter undetected, as in, they are here. That’s a pretty simple explanation. Of course, the government has no idea how many illegals are actually in this country, so I suppose one guess is as good as another.
I am glad you realize words have meaning, as well as their omission; ergo, the word ILLEGAL. Does that mean you will refrain from using euphemisms to describe foreign interlopers? Or, do words only have meaning when they suit your agenda?
Since I authored neither study, you would have to pose that question to them. Obviously, there is a contradiction. But, anyone can pull figures out of the air, which is precisely what is being done. As I previously stated, what difference does it make?
One is a news article and the other is simple statistics...neither is a "study". No contridition.
Interpretation. I dont take any information at face value...not even the government's.
I also would not take simple statistics and mold them to my agenda. Or make conclusions that the information does not support.
It make a difference because in order to have a "inteligent" and Honest debate on the issues, in order to solve complex problems...crediblity, on both sides, is necessary.
One is a news article and the other is simple statistics...neither is a "study". No contridition.
Interpretation. I dont take any information at face value...not even the government's.
I also would not take simple statistics and mold them to my agenda. Or make conclusions that the information does not support.
It make a difference because in order to have a "inteligent" and Honest debate on the issues, in order to solve complex problems...crediblity, on both sides, is necessary.
Until illegal aliens are identified, there can be no credibility, only conjecture. No one, including our government officials, knows the true magnitude of this invasion. I don’t need a study to prove that illegal immigration is a scourge. It is painfully evident.
My source is my Son, who works patrolling, and there are way too many that cross without being caught, for everyone that is caught, that many more get thru. We really do need more border patrol agents, think this is an easy job, try it for a day, this is physical hard work.
And believe me they rather not be caught, they are armed, and ready to shoot to kill these illegals.
Really nice, they jump our fences illegally, come to this Country and break our laws, then decide to kill who ever gets in their way, SOMETHING VERY WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE.
My source is my Son, who works patrolling, and there are way too many that cross without being caught, for everyone that is caught, that many more get thru. We really do need more border patrol agents, think this is an easy job, try it for a day, this is physical hard work.
And believe me they rather not be caught, they are armed, and ready to shoot to kill these illegals.
Really nice, they jump our fences illegally, come to this Country and break our laws, then decide to kill who ever gets in their way, SOMETHING VERY WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE.
Im an advocate for more Border Patrol agents. I believe in "more boots on the ground". That is why it is inconprehensable that this Congress recended the new funding proposed by the previous congress and adminstration. There is no doubt that BP does not apprehend all aliens attempting to cross.
I found some interesting facts...When the BP counts apprehensions at the border, the apprehensions are for each border sector, not points of entry
(35 POEs).
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Apprehensions along the Southwest border have increased since 2004. There are a total of 21 Border Patrol sectors along both the northern and southern borders. Nine of these sectors are along the Southwestborder: two in California, five in Texas, and two in Arizona (see Map).
Apprehensions along the Southwest border increased 3 percent between 2004 (1,139,282) and 2005 (1,171,428). Since 1996, the highest number of apprehensions in Southwest sectors was in 2000 (1,643,679) and the lowest was in 2003 (905,065).
Apprehension and removal data gathered by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) count events, not individuals. In some cases, individuals may be apprehended or placed through removal proceedings more than once in any given year.
You do know that the number did not remain the same for every year since the '80s. In the '90s and '00s, with the economy booming and the desire for cheap available labor, the numbers went way higher. Recent tighter restrictions and a bad economy the numbers have dropped?
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The Pew Hispanic Center estimates that in the 1980s the net advance of the undocumented population was at the 130,000 per year, increasing to 450,000 per year from 1990–1994, and further increasing to 750,000 per year from 1995–1999, and staying at 700,000–850,000+ per year since about 2000. Undocumented Mexican immigration amounts to about 500,000 per year of this influx since about 1999. According to the same Pew Hispanic Center study as of March 2005, the undocumented population had reached 11 million or more
this is numbers of new aliens and not the total numbers, but it does show the ebb and flow of migration numbers over the years.
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You do know that the number did not remain the same for every year since the '80s. In the '90s and '00s, with the economy booming and the desire for cheap available labor, the numbers went way higher. Recent tighter restrictions and a bad economy the numbers have dropped?
this is numbers of new aliens and not the total numbers, but it does show the ebb and flow of migration numbers over the years.
Are they, or are they not, claiming we have 12 million or 10.8, depending on the source; and, didn’t these same “experts” claim we had 12 million 10-15 years ago?
Bottom line: It is impossible to have virtually the same number of illlegals today as we had 15 years ago, unless, each year, an “equal” number of illegals departed this country as entered. This isn’t brain surgery. It is simple common sense.
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