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Old 12-18-2012, 12:21 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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I disagree that learning another language is beneficial in our country unless you plan on employment where you have to deal with foreigners in their own countries or you plan on moving to a foreign country. I certainly don't think it should be mandated but elective. However, you are entitled to your opinion of course.

I think that we need to get back to teaching trades which is far more useful than learning a language that you probably will never need to use. If you don't use it, you lose it.
I think vocational education is important, but there are benefits to studying a second language that go beyond simply being able to communicate with foreigners. Studies have shown improvements in cognitive ability and test performance in students who study foreign languages. It's like exercise for your brain.

Advantages of learning a foreign language at an early age
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:35 PM
 
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My issue isn't even learning another language which I do know but rather being forced to speak in a language to people who shouldn't even be here in the first place and then catering to them. Like I mentioned I speak Spanish and love the Hispanic culture. I even have Hispanic relatives and like a half Mexican guy. However, I do not feel I should be forced to speak Spanish so someone who shouldn't be here can receive welfare, or be rejected from a job because I am unable to speak Spanish (and incidentally I know Spanish so this isn't me personally).
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:35 PM
 
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I think vocational education is important, but there are benefits to studying a second language that go beyond simply being able to communicate with foreigners. Studies have shown improvements in cognitive ability and test performance in students who study foreign languages. It's like exercise for your brain.

Advantages of learning a foreign language at an early age
Perhaps but I don't think it is the only educational learning process that can exercise your brain. I am a practical person and even though I took two years of a foreign language in high school (long time ago, lol) it was like a wasted two years. I think that starting at the high school level that trades should begin to be taught instead. That is something that would give you real employment opportunties in the future. Language as an elective I am ok with that but not mandatory. It was elective for me but turned out to be useless.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:54 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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Perhaps but I don't think it is the only educational learning process that can exercise your brain. I am a practical person and even though I took two years of a foreign language in high school (long time ago, lol) it was like a wasted two years. I think that starting at the high school level that trades should begin to be taught instead. That is something that would give you real employment opportunties in the future. Language as an elective I am ok with that but not mandatory. It was elective for me but turned out to be useless.
Agree to disagree regarding foreign language instruction.
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Old 12-18-2012, 01:54 PM
 
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Agree to disagree regarding foreign language instruction.
Sure no problem. At least we agree on the very important illegal immigration issue.
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:32 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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Just got e-mailed this:

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Our client, a leading global financial services firm has an immediate need for a Database Analyst.
Location-Sioux Falls, SD or San Antonio, TX
Duration- Contract

MUST be fluent in Spanish
SQL experience
DBA experience in any database is a big plus
So if people think it's just front-facing retail/social worker people who have to know Spanish nowadays, think again!

This is not what I do for a living and it is far, far below my skill level...but this is still a professional white-collar job.
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:43 PM
 
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So if people think it's just front-facing retail/social worker people who have to know Spanish nowadays, think again!

This is not what I do for a living and it is far, far below my skill level...but this is still a professional white-collar job.
Expect more and more of this to happen as the Hispanic population continues to grow through immigration both legal and illegal of which other ethnic groups pale by comparison. This is precisely why diversity should be a factor in who we allow to come here and controlling our southern border.
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Old 12-18-2012, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Expect more and more of this to happen as the Hispanic population continues to grow through immigration both legal and illegal of which other ethnic groups pale by comparison. This is precisely why diversity should be a factor in who we allow to come here and controlling our southern border.
Expect more data analysis by "global financial" firms? It's probably just U.S.-based corporations trying to gain more markets in Mexico (did anyone read about the bribery Wal-Mart is doing there?: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/bu...otihuacan.html). Of course your comment about more vocational training is interesting, considering that Mexico typically incorporates that into high grade classes.
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Old 12-18-2012, 04:53 PM
 
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Expect more data analysis by "global financial" firms? It's probably just U.S.-based corporations trying to gain more markets in Mexico (did anyone read about the bribery Wal-Mart is doing there?: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/bu...otihuacan.html). Of course your comment about more vocational training is interesting, considering that Mexico typically incorporates that into high grade classes.
I guess there aren't enough of them attending high school in Mexico then as those who come here illegally have limited education and skills.
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Old 12-18-2012, 06:10 PM
 
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Where I used to live in Puerto Rico there's Americans living there that don't speak even basic Spanish. Tit for tat, don't whine if you do the same elsewhere. I personally don't care if they move to Puerto Rico and can't speak Spanish. I don't expect people, especially older people, to pick up a language quickly. That's what bothers me about so many of these posters. They never learned a foreign language in their life beyond the 101/A1 level, never lived in a foreign country (excluding the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand), they don't know what it's like. You can't understand unless you've lived it yourself. You cannot, and probably will not, become reasonably fluent without putting YEARS in to learn the language. Some people it comes naturally to them, to many others they are useless at learning languages.
Like many other posters I happen to be fluent in another language and resent your broad and condescending generalizations.

People who are not comfortable learning English BEFORE they get here and certainly not comfortable with English once living in an English speaking country should not seek American citizenship. Americans are under no obligation to work harder to make life easier for foreigners who have come here voluntarily, let alone those who freely choose to deliberately break our immigration laws. If you are too old, too unskilled or simply too stupid to learn English: DO NOT COME HERE.

It really is that simple.
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