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What about their moral obligation to keep their own family together? Maybe they should have thought about that before sneaking across a border to work illegally. If keeping your family together is that important to you do it on your side of the fence.
What about their moral obligation to keep their own family together? Maybe they should have thought about that before sneaking across a border to work illegally. If keeping your family together is that important to you do it on your side of the fence.
It's a pretty common scenario today: Illegal alien parents who produced kids in the U.S., get busted and deported. What happens to their U.S. citizen kids? Especially young kids, barely past toddler stage?
Say an adult man crosses the border illegally, and lives here. He marries someone, say another illegal alien. They have kids here. The kids are U.S. citizens under the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, since they were born on U.S. soil.
Then the man (and maybe his wife) get busted by ICE, proven to be illegal aliens (which they in fact are), and get listed for deportation.
What happens to the kids?
The kids are U.S. citizens, no doubt about it. ICE has no grounds whatever for deporting them. But the parents are unquestionably illegal aliens, and the law is clear, the parents must be deported. Must the family be broken up? Who says so?
I've hear some people protest that it's inhuman for ICE to separate the kids (who are, say, 3 and 4 years old by now) from their parents. But is it ICE who is actually doing that?
This man knew before he ever came here, that he was breaking U.S. law, and was subject to deportation if caught. And his wife, if she is also an illegal alien, knew the same about herself. And when they were making kids here on U.S. soil and delivering them, they knew the same was still true.
It's not ICE who is planning to split up this family. It is the man and his wife, knowing that he and she might be booted out at any time for breaking U.S. immigration law, and that any kids they produced while living illegally in America, would be citizens NOT subject to deporation. They knew all these things going in. And one must assume they planned for them. (If they didn't plan, whose fault is that?)
So, what did this man and his wife plan would happen to their U.S. kids if and when they (the parents) got busted and deported? What plans did they make about what should happen to their kids? The kids are 3 and 4 years old now. They are U.S. citizens and have the legal right to stay in this country. Of course, they can't stay alone in the house their parents were just deported out of, if there are no other responsible adults around - the kids are just 3 and 4 years old. Of course, the kids also have the legal right to go with their parents back to the parents' home country.
The parents knew going in, that their own deportation was possible and legal... and even just. WHAT DID THEY PLAN FOR THEIR KIDS if that were to happen to them?
Did they plan that those kids would come back to the parents' home country with them? Or did they plan that the kids would stay with other (legal) family, however distantly related, in the U.S.? Or...? What DID these parents plan, for the time when the parents got busted?
Where does anyone get the idea that the government is responsible for the kids?
The parents are responsible for their kids. What have they planned?
The US governemt is supposed to bear the responsibility that the illegal aliens choose to relinquish?
If families were so important to the illegal aliens /unregistered democrats, they could solve the issue by staying home in Mexico, the motherland they apparently despise and disrespect by fleeing across its borders.
It's been almost 30 years since Reagan signed the bipartisan amnesty bill and promised to get tough with employers and secure the borders. Neither he or any of his successors and Congress, no matter who sat the oval or held the majority made it a priority to act on that promise.
Getting tough on employers means a war on small business.
Securing the borders has an enormous ongoing price tag associated with it.
Because they have plenty of people in high places working to get them amnesty.
They have nothing to fear. No one is going to deport them.
And they have received generous benefits in these past 4 years along with "rights".
In 2011, the government announced it had deported 400,000 people from the U.S., the largest number inthe history of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency.
Cut the fence down, keep them chained, put the fence in a airplane cargo hold, and unchain them when the aircraft lands in the country of their origin.
It's a pretty common scenario today: Illegal alien parents who produced kids in the U.S., get busted and deported. What happens to their U.S. citizen kids? Especially young kids, barely past toddler stage?
Say an adult man crosses the border illegally, and lives here. He marries someone, say another illegal alien. They have kids here. The kids are U.S. citizens under the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, since they were born on U.S. soil.
Then the man (and maybe his wife) get busted by ICE, proven to be illegal aliens (which they in fact are), and get listed for deportation.
What happens to the kids?
The kids are U.S. citizens, no doubt about it. ICE has no grounds whatever for deporting them. But the parents are unquestionably illegal aliens, and the law is clear, the parents must be deported. Must the family be broken up? Who says so?
I've hear some people protest that it's inhuman for ICE to separate the kids (who are, say, 3 and 4 years old by now) from their parents. But is it ICE who is actually doing that?
This man knew before he ever came here, that he was breaking U.S. law, and was subject to deportation if caught. And his wife, if she is also an illegal alien, knew the same about herself. And when they were making kids here on U.S. soil and delivering them, they knew the same was still true.
It's not ICE who is planning to split up this family. It is the man and his wife, knowing that he and she might be booted out at any time for breaking U.S. immigration law, and that any kids they produced while living illegally in America, would be citizens NOT subject to deporation. They knew all these things going in. And one must assume they planned for them. (If they didn't plan, whose fault is that?)
So, what did this man and his wife plan would happen to their U.S. kids if and when they (the parents) got busted and deported? What plans did they make about what should happen to their kids? The kids are 3 and 4 years old now. They are U.S. citizens and have the legal right to stay in this country. Of course, they can't stay alone in the house their parents were just deported out of, if there are no other responsible adults around - the kids are just 3 and 4 years old. Of course, the kids also have the legal right to go with their parents back to the parents' home country.
The parents knew going in, that their own deportation was possible and legal... and even just. WHAT DID THEY PLAN FOR THEIR KIDS if that were to happen to them?
Did they plan that those kids would come back to the parents' home country with them? Or did they plan that the kids would stay with other (legal) family, however distantly related, in the U.S.? Or...? What DID these parents plan, for the time when the parents got busted?
Where does anyone get the idea that the government is responsible for the kids?
The parents are responsible for their kids. What have they planned?
A very good outline of the problem.
I think our policy should be this: minor children go with the parent or parents, unless legal relatives of said children step up and take them in.
True, the children are 'US citizens'. However, it would not be viewed as 'deporting' US citizens; rather, keeping families together.
Once back in Mexico (or wherever) said Citizen Child may apply to return to the USA, showing that he or she has legal custodians to care for such child. Of course, said child may return to the US after obtaining adulthood.
I think our policy should be this: minor children go with the parent or parents, unless legal relatives of said children step up and take them in.
True, the children are 'US citizens'. However, it would not be viewed as 'deporting' US citizens; rather, keeping families together.
Once back in Mexico (or wherever) said Citizen Child may apply to return to the USA, showing that he or she has legal custodians to care for such child. Of course, said child may return to the US after obtaining adulthood.
On paper, that's what our policy is. Doesn't always work out that way, but that is absolutely the way it's supposed to work.
I'm thinking they are a threat to the President and wonder why they haven't been shot yet by Dear Leader's SS troops. He's got no problem droning innocent brown ppl in other countries thousands of miles away. Why put up with these threats?
How relevant the way you managed to convolute this issue into Obama bashing. But...
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom
It's been almost 30 years since Reagan signed the bipartisan amnesty bill and promised to get tough with employers and secure the borders. Neither he or any of his successors and Congress, no matter who sat the oval or held the majority made it a priority to act on that promise. Securing the borders has an enormous ongoing price tag associated with it. No one wants to alienate the Hispanic vote.
It's been almost 30 years since Reagan signed the bipartisan amnesty bill and promised to get tough with employers and secure the borders. Neither he or any of his successors and Congress, no matter who sat the oval or held the majority made it a priority to act on that promise.
Getting tough on employers means a war on small business.
Securing the borders has an enormous ongoing price tag associated with it.
No one wants to alienate the Hispanic vote.
Maybe it's time to put what you say to the test. If both Dems and Repubs really cared about Americans; especially Black people, they'd "grow a pair" and tell the "Hispanic" vote No.
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