Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Illegal Immigration
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 02-26-2014, 08:03 AM
 
Location: North Texas
24,561 posts, read 40,368,293 times
Reputation: 28565

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrviking View Post
Wait....wait.....wait... I can still hear it.. "They are only doing the jobs that Americans don't want to do".. There are lots of jobs that able body Americans want to be doing but are not available due to open borders. Most work on new construction homes are subcontracted out. A legal person will get the job but most of his crew will be illegal. This keeps the wages suppressed in each trade. As competition increases for each job, subcontractors can under bid each other with the knowledge that their cost for wages for their crew is less because its filled with illegals. And down it goes. When I was in the trades we had a steady increase in wages from the early 80's till around the mid 90's. Then I saw more and more illegals flooding my trade. That's when I saw a leveling out then a dip in wages through the 2000's. Once it got to the mid 2000's it was flooded, with the economy in the trash people were back to the wages of the mid 90's.
Yup, it's a race to the bottom for sure. I have a friend who is a contractor and it is so difficult for him to compete on price with illegals. They're ruining the industry.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 02-26-2014, 12:40 PM
 
47,525 posts, read 69,818,376 times
Reputation: 22474
Billions of dollarss of income taxes not being paid. All these millions of jobs in construction are now for illegals and illegals only but they very rarely pay any tax on all that income.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-26-2014, 12:50 PM
 
62 posts, read 92,229 times
Reputation: 70
Quote:
Originally Posted by tinman01 View Post
As the buyer, we the homeowner have a right to tour the property under construction. When I built my home 13 years ago I was here everyday.... I fired the mason because he was using labor that he refused to verify were in fact legal. My property, I have the right to reject illegal labor. All he had to do was show me their green cards. By the way his replacement only cost me a few dollars more and they were all locals. Hmmm I wonder if he paid his laborers the going wage, or pocketed the savings? I know he didn't pass the savings on to me.
I highly commend you. When I had a new roof put on my home I told the company owner "If he wanted to get paid I best not see any of his workers that he cant produce legal identification for"
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-26-2014, 02:33 PM
 
2,752 posts, read 2,598,185 times
Reputation: 4046
Quote:
Originally Posted by malamute View Post
Billions of dollarss of income taxes not being paid. All these millions of jobs in construction are now for illegals and illegals only but they very rarely pay any tax on all that income.
Most of these are good paying middle class jobs. The media likes to talk about off-shoring of jobs. What about good middle class jobs that are being stolen right here in america?? Jobs Americans would support their family's with and pay taxes on. Instead most of this money gets sent back to mexico. CLOSE THE BORDER!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-26-2014, 03:18 PM
 
63,123 posts, read 29,304,690 times
Reputation: 18671
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrviking View Post
Most of these are good paying middle class jobs. The media likes to talk about off-shoring of jobs. What about good middle class jobs that are being stolen right here in america?? Jobs Americans would support their family's with and pay taxes on. Instead most of this money gets sent back to mexico. CLOSE THE BORDER!
I don't think we need to close our borders just enforce our immigration laws instead of making it attractive to come here illegally. Jobs, benefits and birthright citizenship are the incentives. Remove them and stop granting/promising amnesty every few years.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-26-2014, 03:28 PM
 
2,752 posts, read 2,598,185 times
Reputation: 4046
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
I don't think we need to close our borders just enforce our immigration laws instead of making it attractive to come here illegally. Jobs, benefits and birthright citizenship are the incentives. Remove them and stop granting/promising amnesty every few years.
It doesn't look like we can do either. Open borders and a government that doesn't care if illegals are here. Good luck middle class, today they take my job, tomorrow yours!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-26-2014, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge
2,420 posts, read 3,861,130 times
Reputation: 2496
Quote:
Originally Posted by ElSneak View Post
We read that the number of new homes being built is on the increase. They portray this as a good thing . My question is are they still using ILLEGAL ALIENS to build new homes as they have in the past? America needs to demand that the new homes are not being built by the illegal invaders.We have too many unemployed carpenters who are citizens for this to be allowed. People who hire the undocumented workers need to have the homes torn down until they can build them legally.
No wonder no one hires me for construction work: I'm not an illegal immigrant.

Very few contractors verify if an applicant can work legally. The illegal earns less than an American citizen or a legal immigrant which means more profit/less payroll expense for the contractor. I used to get mad at the illegals for being in the country illegally and working here illegally. Now I blame the source of the problem: the ones who HIRE the illegals. They are sell-outs including our government. If our own government doesn't enforce laws already written then no one will enforce the laws. The Democrats want the illegals for the hope for future votes (when illegals become legal and then become citizens) and the Republicans want the illegals so their CEO buddies that run corporations can earn more profits by keeping labor costs down. The illegals are here to stay whether we like it or not.

-Cheers.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-26-2014, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge
2,420 posts, read 3,861,130 times
Reputation: 2496
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDGeek View Post
I haven't encountered illegal plumbers or electricians yet, but it wouldn't surprise me. Seems like every other trade associated with remodeling/home construction has already been overrun by illegals.
I don't think illegals are in solar panel installation.... yet.

-Cheers.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-26-2014, 06:55 PM
 
63,123 posts, read 29,304,690 times
Reputation: 18671
Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainBiking View Post
No wonder no one hires me for construction work: I'm not an illegal immigrant.

Very few contractors verify if an applicant can work legally. The illegal earns less than an American citizen or a legal immigrant which means more profit/less payroll expense for the contractor. I used to get mad at the illegals for being in the country illegally and working here illegally. Now I blame the source of the problem: the ones who HIRE the illegals. They are sell-outs including our government. If our own government doesn't enforce laws already written then no one will enforce the laws. The Democrats want the illegals for the hope for future votes (when illegals become legal and then become citizens) and the Republicans want the illegals so their CEO buddies that run corporations can earn more profits by keeping labor costs down. The illegals are here to stay whether we like it or not.

-Cheers.
The employers and their illegal workers are equally to blame. Illegal aliens aren't the innocents in all of this they know right from wrong also. Democrat businessmen also hire illegal aliens. It isn't just those who are Republicans. I disagree that illegal aliens are here to stay. Americans have had enough of this nonsense and the crap is about to hit the fan. Wait and see....
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-26-2014, 07:11 PM
 
20,524 posts, read 15,940,244 times
Reputation: 5948
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldglory View Post
The employers and their illegal workers are equally to blame. Illegal aliens aren't the innocents in all of this they know right from wrong also. Democrat businessmen also hire illegal aliens. It isn't just those who are Republicans. I disagree that illegal aliens are here to stay. Americans have had enough of this nonsense and the crap is about to hit the fan. Wait and see....
Agreed and IMHO we're heading BACK into a bad recession. A friend told me today that many businesses are closing down here in Bullhead City putting more and more people out of work. 1 good way to open up jobs for Americans is to REALLY hit illegal aliens AND their employers where it hurts. In their wallets and maybe some jail time.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Illegal Immigration
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:44 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top