Trump's ICE Raids in LA have begun (2014, illegal immigrants, campaign)

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Most Officers see no purpose in a 'round up' of illegal aliens, all it does is make them afraid to report crime or testify as a witness to crime. You really don't know jack about CHP if you think they are 'waiting to bust illegal alien'

Any actual evidence of this ? I know the pro illegal crowd often repeats it .
Regardless this isn't a good enough justification to be pro illegal .


. Also there have been no random round ups of illegals in L.A . They have all been people that committed crimes .
The " abuelita that is afraid to get arrested at bingo " are all lies and fear mongering by Garcetti and the other pro illegal crowd . Grandmas aren't being rounded up unless they are also drug dealers or gang members etc .

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Packard fan

Def time to get the Dept of Justice in on this hot mess. It's called game ON.

CHP: I'm guessing your info's wrong since I know several Officers, many retired who'd be cuffing and stuffing illegals.

There is no game on, DOJ cannot require that a state enforce Federal law, did you not bother to read the link I posted? I'm retired law enforcement and my ex husband was CHP. I do not know any currently employed or retired law enforcement who want to 'cuff and stuff' anyone. My guess is if 'several officers' actually told you that it was braggadocio that happens after drinking too much beer. Arresting people is not fun it's work, most of which is very boring and entails writing reports and hanging out at the jail waiting for them to process your prisoner. People who think otherwise generally watch way, way too many police shows on TV

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Any actual evidence of this ? I know the pro illegal crowd often repeats it .
Regardless this isn't a good enough justification to be pro illegal .
. Also there have been no random round ups of illegals in L.A . They have all been people that committed crimes .
The " abuelita that is afraid to get arrested at bingo " are all lies and fear mongering by Garcetti and the other pro illegal crowd . Grandmas aren't being rounded up unless they are also drug dealers or gang members etc .

Evidence of it, WTF??? Why don't you get out of the house and go ask some cops? Think about it, if undocumented people are afraid of the Police they won't report crime and they won't testify against criminals, what cop would want to alienate the population in such a way?

And I am not talking about arresting criminal aliens, that has been the policy for several years and no one has an issue with it, but lately ICE has been stretching that to include people with decades old misdemeanor arrests and I don't think very many 'real cops' would be impressed by that or excited about arresting people for crap like that.

What you don't understand is that ICE agents are wanna be cops, so a lot of them are thuggish. ICE doesn't pay nearly as well as California Police Officers so you aren't getting the pick of the litter. With ICE agents you're getting people who for one reason or another can't cut it in real law enforcement. When they got desperate for agents a few years ago and dropped the polygraph they ended up hiring MS 13 gang members. And I know you didn't want to hear that because they are probably your heroes but oh well....

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

There is no game on, DOJ cannot require that a state enforce Federal law, did you not bother to read the link I posted? I'm retired law enforcement and my ex husband was CHP. I do not know any currently employed or retired law enforcement who want to 'cuff and stuff' anyone. My guess is if 'several officers' actually told you that it was braggadocio that happens after drinking too much beer. Arresting people is not fun it's work, most of which is very boring and entails writing reports and hanging out at the jail waiting for them to process your prisoner. People who think otherwise generally watch way, way too many police shows on TV

What about in the case of a known illegal alien gang member for example .
A police officer knows they are trouble and will very likely commit more crime and victimize more people .
But because of "sanctuary policies" nothing can be done to get them off the street until they are caught doing another crime .
This is why many are upset about these sanctuary policies . Really ends up protecting criminals .

Right now we could change policy and say illegal aliens with criminal records are no longer welcome here .
You think that aggressively rounding up known criminals like gang members drug dealers child molesters wouldn't be worthwhile ??

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by jm1982

What about in the case of a known illegal alien gang member for example .
A police officer knows they are trouble and will very likely commit more crime and victimize more people .
But because of "sanctuary policies" nothing can be done to get them off the street until they are caught doing another crime .
This is why many are upset about these sanctuary policies . Really ends up protecting criminals .

Right now we could change policy and say illegal aliens with criminal records are no longer welcome here .
You think that aggressively rounding up known criminals like gang members drug dealers child molesters wouldn't be worthwhile ??

What are you even talking about "because of sanctuary policies". Even without 'sanctuary policies' a cop can't stop potential gang members for no reason and arrest them for immigration offenses. It's not legal to stop people on the street and ask them to prove that they are citizens. I know you are gonna hate to hear that but most of those gang members are US Citizens.

Sanctuary City doesn't mean what you think it does, here's a fairly good definition:

The term most commonly is used for cities that do not permit municipal funds or resources to be applied in furtherance of enforcement of federal immigration laws. These cities normally do not permit police or municipal employees to inquire about one's immigration status. The designation of Sanctuary City” has no legal meaning. List of Sanctuary cities

Obama's policy was that we deport undocumented people who have committed serious or violent crimes, I agree with that and I don't know too many people who don't.

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

What are you even talking about "because of sanctuary policies". Even without 'sanctuary policies' a cop can't stop potential gang members for no reason and arrest them for immigration offenses. It's not legal to stop people on the street and ask them to prove that they are citizens. I know you are gonna hate to hear that but most of those gang members are US Citizens.

Sanctuary City doesn't mean what you think it does, here's a fairly good definition:

The term most commonly is used for cities that do not permit municipal funds or resources to be applied in furtherance of enforcement of federal immigration laws. These cities normally do not permit police or municipal employees to inquire about one's immigration status. The designation of Sanctuary City” has no legal meaning. List of Sanctuary cities

Obama's policy was that we deport undocumented people who have committed serious or violent crimes, I agree with that and I don't know too many people who don't.

Under federal law those gang members have no right to be here . Neither do the other illegals .
California can't make up their own immigration laws because they don't control immigration .

Local law enforcement like LAPD not working with ICE is actually much worse for non criminal illegals because it forces ICE to go into the communities to search for these illegals and then the non criminals are affected .

Makes a lot more sense for LAPD to simply work with ICE and get the criminals properly deported instead of sent back to the streets of L.A after serving time in jail .

I know you'll say that LAPD "don't got no time fo dat" or something similar though .

How many people are killed per year due to sanctuary city policies and don't say zero .

[BB_210]

I don't think people are saying local LEO is supposed to act as ICE, what were saying is they should be working with ICE. They should report illegals, whether they committed a crime or not, if they happen to come across them and identify them. SB 54 or whatever Kevin Leon's latest law wants to disconnect that line of communication.

[bullandre]

Originally Posted by max210

I don't think people are saying local LEO is supposed to act as ICE, what were saying is they should be working with ICE. They should report illegals, whether they committed a crime or not, if they happen to come across them and identify them. SB 54 or whatever Kevin Leon's latest law wants to disconnect that line of communication.

Well, tell Congress to pass that law; Canada has a law doing requiring law enforcement to report illegals to CBSA. I STRONGLY disagree with these laws if they are simply targeting people for just being illegals rather than criminals.

[BB_210]

Originally Posted by bullandre

I STRONGLY disagree with these laws if they are simply targeting people for just being illegals rather than criminals.

Please explain why?

[Packard fan]

Originally Posted by bullandre

Well, tell Congress to pass that law; Canada has a law doing requiring law enforcement to report illegals to CBSA. I STRONGLY disagree with these laws if they are simply targeting people for just being illegals rather than criminals.

Then I'd stay away from Canada unless you're a Canadian citizen. I support Canada all the way.