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I still do not agree that it is impossible to fix this problem. Yes, it is going to cost plenty, but maybe it's worth it. Substantial reductions in illegal population size should be done before any talk of Amnesty. Getting our government to enforce tax laws and other laws will definitely have an effect on the number who stay. I don't think we should be throwing in the towel just yet.
Unrealistic. The popular will is for legalization not deportation. Only a minority favors deportation.
Even if you got it started it is doubtful any given government regime will last long enough to finish it which will take more than a decade. So you get it partially ramped up then shut it down.
We simply need to reduce it to the size of problem we are willing to staff immigration to enforce. Simple as that.
Unrealistic. The popular will is for legalization not deportation. Only a minority favors deportation.
Even if you got it started it is doubtful any given government regime will last long enough to finish it which will take more than a decade. So you get it partially ramped up then shut it down.
We simply need to reduce it to the size of problem we are willing to staff immigration to enforce. Simple as that.
Uh; looking at the comments section after MSN, Yahoo and so on, I'd say MOST people want illegal aliens gone, by force if needed.
Uh; looking at the comments section after MSN, Yahoo and so on, I'd say MOST people want illegal aliens gone, by force if needed.
Exactly, well most people except bleeding heart liberals who do not mind spending our tax dollars but most likely would not wish a special tax be put on them to fund the illegals. Maybe we should start a poll, how many liberals would be willing to pay for the welfare etc of illegals out of their own pockets?
Uh; looking at the comments section after MSN, Yahoo and so on, I'd say MOST people want illegal aliens gone, by force if needed.
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Exactly, well most people except bleeding heart liberals who do not mind spending our tax dollars but most likely would not wish a special tax be put on them to fund the illegals. Maybe we should start a poll, how many liberals would be willing to pay for the welfare etc of illegals out of their own pockets?
Again the sentiment is clear and has not changed in decades.
But go ahead. Try and get legislation that funds the immigration people at a level commensurate with actually deporting the illegals. About 3 or 4 times the present level.
I won't hold my breath. In fact it will be interesting to see how Trump does on his increased funding for immigration control in 2018. He has already punted on 2017.
Exactly, well most people except bleeding heart liberals who do not mind spending our tax dollars but most likely would not wish a special tax be put on them to fund the illegals. Maybe we should start a poll, how many liberals would be willing to pay for the welfare etc of illegals out of their own pockets?
Agreed.
Too; a LOT of at least rich "liberals" would say oh hell NO if their kind HAD to put up with illegal aliens living next door in their fancy parts of town.
Quite untrue. The carpenters and masons and electricians and such controlled the residential sub-contractors in the 1960s. Neither illegals or Hispanics played a significant role. The non union contractors came after the work in the 70s and 80s and basically ran the union guys out of residential. In Las Vegas there is not a single significant union contractor in the residential side. The unions however have a virtually complete hold on all major projects. The residential is all Hispanic and the big stuff is mostly Caucasian with some Blacks and Hispanics.
And yes there are illegals in the residential work force but they are a small minority. However Hispanic workers dominate. In specialties you may find a few white guys though the majority are Hispanic and everyone can speak Spanish.
The decision to reward the illegal aliens was made many years ago when the problem was allowed to reach a size where correcting it became a practical impossibility. Even today all the antis can do is prevent it being resolved. There is no will or resource to even attempt deporting most of them.
I've heard of plenty of American Citizens who would be happy to help round them up and deport them!
Quite untrue. The carpenters and masons and electricians and such controlled the residential sub-contractors in the 1960s. Neither illegals or Hispanics played a significant role. The non union contractors came after the work in the 70s and 80s and basically ran the union guys out of residential. In Las Vegas there is not a single significant union contractor in the residential side. The unions however have a virtually complete hold on all major projects. The residential is all Hispanic and the big stuff is mostly Caucasian with some Blacks and Hispanics.
And yes there are illegals in the residential work force but they are a small minority. However Hispanic workers dominate. In specialties you may find a few white guys though the majority are Hispanic and everyone can speak Spanish.
The decision to reward the illegal aliens was made many years ago when the problem was allowed to reach a size where correcting it became a practical impossibility. Even today all the antis can do is prevent it being resolved. There is no will or resource to even attempt deporting most of them.
You of course have a link that proves that the majority of electricians, carpenters, plumbers etc were Union prior to the 80's? Maybe in some major cities but certainly not across the land.
What is untrue is your notion that this nation needs illegals in order to function. WE don't. Nor do we need to reward illegals to solve the problem. Rewarding unwanted behavior is absolutely never a solution.
You of course have a link that proves that the majority of electricians, carpenters, plumbers etc were Union prior to the 80's? Maybe in some major cities but certainly not across the land
I am referring primarily to residential construction in the SW. That is the primary area of Hispanic population, Hispanic domination of residential construction and the primary population of illegal aliens. I would agree it is not everywhere.
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What is untrue is your notion that this nation needs illegals in order to function. WE don't. Nor do we need to reward illegals to solve the problem. Rewarding unwanted behavior is absolutely never a solution.
That of course is a flat out lie. But quote me. Or apologize for your lie.
Unrealistic. The popular will is for legalization not deportation. Only a minority favors deportation.
Even if you got it started it is doubtful any given government regime will last long enough to finish it which will take more than a decade. So you get it partially ramped up then shut it down.
We simply need to reduce it to the size of problem we are willing to staff immigration to enforce. Simple as that.
That last paragraph is what I'm saying. Enforcing certain existing laws will make a difference in the size of the population of the illegals. I'm talking more about self-deportation. Take away all the free stuff they are getting and enforce tax law on employers illegally hiring them, will make a difference. Besides, you can't give amnesty without making changes or it will just happen again. However, what I'm suggesting is Enforcing existing laws. No real change is needed.
That last paragraph is what I'm saying. Enforcing certain existing laws will make a difference in the size of the population of the illegals. I'm talking more about self-deportation. Take away all the free stuff they are getting and enforce tax law on employers illegally hiring them, will make a difference. Besides, you can't give amnesty without making changes or it will just happen again. However, what I'm suggesting is Enforcing existing laws. No real change is needed.
I would tend to agree but the tightening of the laws is practical only in some general reformation of the area. The business community can and will fight off any tightening of employment laws unless it is encompassed in an overall immigration reform bill. And free stuff is a right wing myth. It is jobs that are the issue. You will never be able to limit the rights of children of illegals born in the USA. That is Constitutional and cannot be restricted selectively.
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