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Keep them out to begin with and we wouldn't have to deal with the problems they bring, or the cost to incarcerate them either.
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It seems that keeping out all that labor isn't feasible, so taking a little bad with the good/production is the trade off. Severe yet fair punishment for the violent criminals is where I stand.
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Yes, they calculated which ones would vote their way.
I don't think voting is a primary factor with this issue. Maybe a bonus for Democrats since most would lean that way. As part of a solution, I believe Republicans could negotiate no voting rights for amnestied adults for a lengthy period of time.
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Except, what you brought up is off topic to this particular thread.
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It was in context to what was being responded to.
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Really? lol. Apparently, you refuse to recognize the citizens who were being replaced for the cheaper, and often shoddy, labor that the illegals offered. Unlike you, I saw and heard them.
Better for the country to replace workers rather than leave the job unfilled/undone. Without illegals we have an aging workforce. Somebody is going to need to replace them, and Americans aren't producing enough children to make up for the old-timers leaving the force, and haven't been for a long time.
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It seems that keeping out all that labor isn't feasible, so taking a little bad with the good/production is the trade off. Severe yet fair punishment for the violent criminals is where I stand.
I don't think voting is a primary factor with this issue. Maybe a bonus for Democrats since most would lean that way. As part of a solution, I believe Republicans could negotiate no voting rights for amnestied adults for a lengthy period of time.
It was in context to what was being responded to.
Better for the country to replace workers rather than leave the job unfilled/undone. Without illegals we have an aging workforce. Somebody is going to need to replace them, and Americans aren't producing enough children to make up for the old-timers leaving the force, and haven't been for a long time.
No, it was not.
We don't need the people who come here illegally, for anything.
I've looked at the post again and yes I've decided it was in context to what I was replying to. The general statement I replied to didn't reflect an accurate picture, so I added the context of all the workers.
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No, it was not.
We don't need the people who come here illegally, for anything.
The nation needs people willing to work, and a lot of them. The immigration process is no longer working properly. Good old comprehensive reform is necessary, but for now not enough people are onboard with that.
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Americans don’t need to be replaced.
If a business can’t survive legally, they should not exist.
We've been raising lazy kids. Many teens and young adults just don't want to work.
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These jobs most often suit young people, as the name “entry-level” implies. Despite hundreds of thousands of jobs created over the last several years, summer employment for teens is only just over 34.6 percent this year. It’s down from 51 percent in 2000, and, most notably, far lower than recession levels at any point in the five preceding decades.
Employment for 16-24 year olds is only 56.2 percent, and labor force participation for 20-24 year olds as of July is 75.7 percent, down 8.1 points from its high 30 years ago and below what it was at the same time of year in ‘09, in the midst of the Great Recession. This doesn’t only apply to the non-college-educated, either. According to the Harvard Business Review, the unemployment rate for recent college graduates is higher than it was pre-recession.
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I've looked at the post again and yes I've decided it was in context to what I was replying to. The general statement I replied to didn't reflect an accurate picture, so I added the context of all the workers.
Yes, you made the decision to go off topic.
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The nation needs people willing to work, and a lot of them. The immigration process is no longer working properly. Good old comprehensive reform is necessary, but for now not enough people are onboard with that.
We have plenty of able people (citizens) to fill the jobs. We just need to start taking the participation trophies away from the younger crowd and put brooms in their hands.
For the last time, stop trying to hijack the thread. If you want to talk about illegals taking our jobs, then start your own thread. If you want to discuss the actual thread topic in this thread, then do so.
We don't need the people who come here illegally, for anything.
Also, that aging workforce mostly holds skilled jobs. They aren't burger flippers or leaf blowers. Illegals can't fill their shoes. That's where visas for skilled workers come into play.
Most unfilled jobs are low paying ones that don't pay a livable wage and we have far too many of those types of businesses. We don't need them nor do we need their illegal workers.
We have plenty of able people (citizens) to fill the jobs. We just need to start taking the participation trophies away from the younger crowd and put brooms in their hands.
For the last time, stop trying to hijack the thread. If you want to talk about illegals taking our jobs, then start your own thread. If you want to discuss the actual thread topic in this thread, then do so.
Thanks to the illegals adding in their legal anchor babies, we have at least some additional young people but still not enough to fill all the jobs. My own children started working by 15-16. I felt it was good for them to get involved in the world as soon as possible. It seems many parents don't think it is too important to start at that age. When I was younger, I seem to recall most (But not all) of us teenagers were working part time jobs at age 16, around the time we could drive to work.
You are the one I'm responding to, so if you don't like the direction of the thread, you can blame yourself!
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Also, that aging workforce mostly holds skilled jobs. They aren't burger flippers or leaf blowers. Illegals can't fill their shoes. That's where visas for skilled workers come into play.
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My friend who I used to work with is a 68-year-old electrician, he plans on hanging in another 5 years or so, if he doesn't die first. The people very likely to replace him are 25-year-old apprentices that are learning English and how to be an electrician at the same time. Some people may start as a leaf-blowing gardener, (And there is no dishonor in that) but when seasoned vets see hard and motivated workers, they scoop them up. Having options and given a little time often lucrative pathways appear for younger people.
Also, that aging workforce mostly holds skilled jobs. They aren't burger flippers or leaf blowers. Illegals can't fill their shoes. That's where visas for skilled workers come into play.
Most unfilled jobs are low paying ones that don't pay a livable wage and we have far too many of those types of businesses. We don't need them nor do we need their illegal workers.
Agreed. We have way to many of these kind of businesses.
Skilled visas for needed specialists and our abundant supply of unskilled and automation should take care of the rest.
So there you go, there are only two choices; the downfall of American business or break the law in order to exploit undereducated third world foreigners. If you feel uneasy, flip a coin.
BTW, the illegal choice is the one where we don’t all die and have our bank accounts reduced to zero. Lot easier if it’s the “tax payer” that loses 100 billion per year and not you personally. And heck, so what if your kids are 20% less prepared educationally because of educating illegal aliens, that’s hardly noticeable anyway.
Anyway, if we don’t use illegals, everything is going to cost a fortune. Oh wait?!?
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