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Old 09-08-2023, 02:54 PM
 
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We s;houldn't be using people as pawns in a political fight.

Abbott should hve worked harder with Trump and then Biden to create strategies to deal with the issue along his border.

Putting people on a bus and dumping them in your political opponent's district is not the way to solve problems.

So yes it might have worked eventually -- but does that mean Abbott couldn't manage the problem better?
Trump wanted the border closed....can`t blame him. Biden opened the border, with no plan. Why was it up to Abbott to fix this mess that biden created?? Where is Harris?

 
Old 09-08-2023, 02:55 PM
 
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Originally Posted by moneill View Post
We s;houldn't be using people as pawns in a political fight.

Abbott should hve worked harder with Trump and then Biden to create strategies to deal with the issue along his border.

Putting people on a bus and dumping them in your political opponent's district is not the way to solve problems.

So yes it might have worked eventually -- but does that mean Abbott couldn't manage the problem better?
Trump solved it

Biden used people as a poltical pawn.

good grief
 
Old 09-08-2023, 03:14 PM
 
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And it only cost Texas taxpayers 11 BILLION bucks. Meanwhile, people are still coming.

Children in the care of the Great State of Texas are being sex trafficked and the schools are short of teachers and bus drivers. That's being ignored.

Nothing is being done to stop people from coming. And those who are in Texas can get work in any restaurant kitchen or mowing lawns, because most texans could care less.
 
Old 09-08-2023, 03:17 PM
 
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Originally Posted by moneill View Post
We s;houldn't be using people as pawns in a political fight.

Abbott should hve worked harder with Trump and then Biden to create strategies to deal with the issue along his border.

Putting people on a bus and dumping them in your political opponent's district is not the way to solve problems.

So yes it might have worked eventually -- but does that mean Abbott couldn't manage the problem better?
Seriously. No one cares when Texas is overloaded, and asks for help. It’s Texas ‘s problem. Well now we are willing to share and it’s a United States problem. How can illegal immigration be allowed in high numbers but Mayors , Govenors, Senators,, President doesn't care unless it affects them. Thank you Gov Abbott!
 
Old 09-20-2023, 09:06 PM
 
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Trump solved it

Biden used people as a poltical pawn.

good grief
bingo
 
Old 09-21-2023, 05:13 AM
 
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Originally Posted by moneill View Post
We s;houldn't be using people as pawns in a political fight.

Abbott should hve worked harder with Trump and then Biden to create strategies to deal with the issue along his border.

Putting people on a bus and dumping them in your political opponent's district is not the way to solve problems.

So yes it might have worked eventually -- but does that mean Abbott couldn't manage the problem better?
I basically agree with this, and while I think that Abbott’s efforts to move people from Texas to NY is primarily political theater meant to play to his base, I can’t really argue with the fact that he, and those who are concerned about the scale of illegal immigration, have a legitimate gripe. It does seem that the border states (TX included) have had to bear significant financial and social costs to deal with illegal immigration well beyond what states in New England and New York (for example) have had to bear. I think Abbott’s behavior is totally inappropriate, but again, it’s not like he did this based on some short term “blip” number of immigrants who have entered Texas. This has been going on for quite sometime….so I wouldn’t call it a knee jerk reaction.

I think if you have laws on the books you need to enforce them. And if the laws require that asylum be granted, that’s fine, but the US has a responsibility to adjudicate those claims in a timely manner. Having limited resources that mean claims can take 2 years to resolve doesn’t strike me as being in the spirit of what was intended when this process was set up.

On the other hand, I do think that it makes a lot of sense to liberalize immigration laws to allow more people to legally come to this country. Based on the posts here, a lot of people clearly are not just against illegal immigration, but they are against all (or most) immigration especially from non-English speaking, non-Western countries. They are basically a bunch of xenophobes who feel threatened America is getting less white.
 
Old 09-21-2023, 05:28 AM
 
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If Abbott gave a dam about illegals he would license contractors in Texas. As it is anybody who can get work is a contractor. They hire illegals. Texas has done nothing to stop that.

The state has no clue who is working in Texas or where, unless they tell him. Or are caught by the feds, like Shipley donuts or years ago Pappas restaurants.

Pretty racist to assume all illegal immigrants are 1) some nationally of Hispanic, and 2) all skilled construction laborers. I've personally met an accountant, an engineer, and a couple health care workers. And I don't have loads of contact with illegal immigrants.
 
Old 09-21-2023, 05:34 AM
 
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Originally Posted by moneill View Post
We s;houldn't be using people as pawns in a political fight.

Abbott should hve worked harder with Trump and then Biden to create strategies to deal with the issue along his border.

Putting people on a bus and dumping them in your political opponent's district is not the way to solve problems.

So yes it might have worked eventually -- but does that mean Abbott couldn't manage the problem better?
Democrats want this problem so long as it doesn't happen in their backyard.

It makes sense to force Democrats to change their destructive ways.
 
Old 09-21-2023, 06:00 AM
 
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I read the issue differently. I didn’t think the average NY city dweller going to work daily was paying much attention to Texas and the border given the distance between the two and living in a big city swallows up all your attention for the most part. Does not seem like NY city folk are all that political, the mayoral race only had a 20% turnout and their turnout has been very low for a long time so politics does not seem to be top of the list.

This looks more like politicians arguing about the border has now lead to aliens being used as pawns and NYers just now starting to pay attention to what the Governor and mayor has been saying about being a sanctuary city and what that means.

It seems most NYers in the city are not paying much attention to politics day to day.
 
Old 09-21-2023, 06:21 AM
 
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We s;houldn't be using people as pawns in a political fight.
The Democrats consistently use people as pawns.

Quote:
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Abbott should hve worked harder with Trump and then Biden to create strategies to deal with the issue along his border.
Abbot did work with Trump. However, working with Biden is impossible for a couple of reasons: First, Biden doesn’t even know his own name, much less what’s happening on the border. Second, whoever is making the decisions has no desire to fix the immigration problem and secure our borders. That is glaringly obvious.

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Putting people on a bus and dumping them in your political opponent's district is not the way to solve problems.
It’s a good way to get the problem front and center so that the public can see who is causing it.

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So yes it might have worked eventually -- but does that mean Abbott couldn't manage the problem better?
And what would you recommend? The feds are trying everything they can to keep Abbot from addressing the influx of illegal immigrants that is overwhelming the state’s resources. Texas is being invaded and the federal government is a willing accomplice of the invaders.
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