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Old 01-06-2024, 01:36 PM
 
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I couldn't tell you in this particular case, but I've seen videos of them making a hole in Trump's wall with a cutting torch.
Are you sure it was Trump's wall? There are several hundred miles that still have the old walls on them. As for cutting a hole in Trump's walls they are so thick that before an illegal has a chance to escape the Border Patrol apprehends them.
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Old 01-06-2024, 01:45 PM
 
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hmm it's long been said Congress controls the purse strings. I wonder how all these border officials/patrol are paid. And how every federal official supporting the open borders are paid. So how much control on the "purse strings" does Congress really have. The Government often uses the threat of cutting off the money from States or cities if they don't play ball. And it works. I wonder at their power to do these for individuals or individual departments.
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Old 01-06-2024, 02:22 PM
 
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Are you sure it was Trump's wall? There are several hundred miles that still have the old walls on them. As for cutting a hole in Trump's walls they are so thick that before an illegal has a chance to escape the Border Patrol apprehends them.
They can be cut through, but why bother when it is easier to just climb over them.


People are climbing over Trump’s $15 billion border wall with $5 ladders

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People are using $5 ladders to climb over sections of the $15 billion southern border wall built under former President Donald Trump's administration, Texas Monthly reported.

US Border Patrol officials who monitor the wall, which has been built along parts of the US-Mexico border, frequently find discarded ladders left by unauthorized migrants crossing into southern Texas along certain parts of the wall, the report said.

The Texas Monthly report cited Scott Nicol, an activist and Texas resident, who said, "These ladders are probably $5 worth of hardware, and they're defeating a wall that cost $12 million a mile in that location."
https://www.businessinsider.com/dona...ladders-2021-4
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Old 01-06-2024, 02:27 PM
 
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A shame that the GOP has to threaten to shut down govt just to get this biden administration to stop destroying the country. The 2nd myorkis vote comes soon.
It is a shame but I support it. We need to start putting our foot down no matter what names they call us. We need to stop being afraid of them and stand up for the country. I'm liking this new Speaker of the House.
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Old 01-06-2024, 02:38 PM
 
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It is a shame but I support it. We need to start putting our foot down no matter what names they call us. We need to stop being afraid of them and stand up for the country. I'm liking this new Speaker of the House.
Lol, did you see that link and picture posted claiming that migrants are able to climb over Trump's walls with a ladder? That wasn't Trump's wall in the first picture and you can see that clearly in the picture! His are 30 ft tall and have a sold piece of steel all across the top. The one in the picture is much shorter and has no solid piece of steel at the top. As for the second video the Border Patrol apprehends them before they can make it into the interior of our country. The fact is that one man broke both legs trying to climb over Trump's wall and a pregnant woman fell to her death trying to do the same.

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Old 01-06-2024, 04:05 PM
 
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Lol, did you see that link and picture posted claiming that migrants are able to climb over Trump's walls with a ladder? That wasn't Trump's wall and you can see that clearly in the picture! His are 30 ft tall and have a sold piece of steel all across the top. The one in the picture is much shorter and has no solid piece of steel at the top. Picture for the gullibles to believe! The fact is that one man broke both legs trying to climb over Trump's wall and a pregnant woman fell to her death trying to do the same.
18-30' isn't going to stop people from bringing ladders and ropes and with that equipment most will be able to make it over.
Digging under it or cutting through it is also very doable. Sure, border patrol can stop some of them but not all, and when they damage the wall, that damage needs to be repaired at a cost as well. For the time being, there are easier ways to enter without having to confront the wall. If those other ways of entering were ever plugged, and the wall was the only way through I believe it would look like Swiss cheese very quickly, but for now that hasn't become necessary.


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Old 01-06-2024, 04:43 PM
 
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This could be stopped in 24 hours by manning the border with the military. Put up several billboards telling them we are full, and there will be no admittance, and then spread the word to their mother countries.

If we immediately start turning them around, the word will get out that they will NOT be admitted to the USA.

The military can be ready to go in no time at all, and it would be a good military exercise for them!

Another idea would be to electrify the fencing, and it could be run off of solar power, kind of like what they do for cattle.

I mean there are endless ways this can be stopped: 1. Properly define the 14th Amendment as it was not meant for illegals to rush in drop of anchor babies and chill! 2. Start the work place raids again, and anyone not legally present is immediately deported, keep the motor running on the bus outside the door. 3. Random checks of roofing and construction contractors as some pay off the books. 4. Require all state and local governments to report immediately that they have arrested an illegal alien for breaking ANY law, and put the illegals immediately on the bus headed south. 5. To assist with the shortage of housing, immediately all illegals living in housing to be deported. 6. Make ALL hospitals, medical clinics and schools mandated reporters of illegal aliens, having required ID and/or certified birth certificate this would simplify the procedure to get them on the bus headed south. Although this may not get them all, some may give up and head out before their turn comes.

Stop all freebies going to their mother country immediately to pay for the diesel fuel for the buses headed south!

***Reference the illegals cutting through the wall, it should have had razor wire wrapped around all of the vertical posts, and again if we could "hot wire" it - that would send a message and then some. These are people that couldn't make it in their own country, criminals and deadbeats, so they have no respect for our laws, no respect for our people and no respect for our country.

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Old 01-06-2024, 05:29 PM
 
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18-30' isn't going to stop people from bringing ladders and ropes and with that equipment most will be able to make it over.
Digging under it or cutting through it is also very doable. Sure, border patrol can stop some of them but not all, and when they damage the wall, that damage needs to be repaired at a cost as well. For the time being, there are easier ways to enter without having to confront the wall. If those other ways of entering were ever plugged, and the wall was the only way through I believe it would look like Swiss cheese very quickly, but for now that hasn't become necessary.

It will when Trump gets in office. The Border Patrol people can stop registering the illegals into our country and do what they were meant to do and that's to patrol the border and keep watch of the wall.

I don't remember the wall ever looking like swiss cheese. Do you have a pic of that?
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Old 01-06-2024, 05:35 PM
 
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Lol, did you see that link and picture posted claiming that migrants are able to climb over Trump's walls with a ladder? That wasn't Trump's wall in the first picture and you can see that clearly in the picture! His are 30 ft tall and have a sold piece of steel all across the top. The one in the picture is much shorter and has no solid piece of steel at the top. As for the second video the Border Patrol apprehends them before they can make it into the interior of our country. The fact is that one man broke both legs trying to climb over Trump's wall and a pregnant woman fell to her death trying to do the same.
Yeah, lying is what they do. They probably generated the wall pics from AI. All people have to do is look at the numbers of illegals that came here under Trump and those that came under Biden. The walls work.
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Old 01-06-2024, 05:37 PM
 
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None of those passing right by the 60 Republicans had climbed over, tunneled under nor sawed through the wall. They knew that all they had do do was present themselves at a legal port of entry and make an asylum claim instead. There are tunnel senors under the wall to prevent tunnels to.

The fact remains that according to Homeland Security the good walls have been 90% effective in deterring illegal entry. I guess some people think they know more than they do though. Funny how the pro-illegals claim that unless a wall has a 100% effective rate that makes it useless. Huh? Maybe they should tear down any walls around their homes and businesses then because they aren't 100% effective either. Even most who tried to breach the wall with a saw or whatever were apprehended after attempting to doing so.

Here's what happens when you try to breach a 30 ft wall.

Two of the men who tried to scale the fence near El Paso in recent weeks and fell are now at a migrant shelter in the desolate Mexican border town Palomas, nearly 100 miles away. They're recovering from serious injuries.

Jhon Jairo Ushca Alcoser, a 25-year-old barber from Ecuador, says his dream of reaching the U.S. ended at the foot of the wall. Pedro Gomez, a 37-year-old man from Guatemala, tells me he slipped and toppled off the top of the wall, also landing on the U.S. side.

Gomez, a father of four and a day laborer, now has casts on both ankles and sits in a wheelchair. Ushca Alcoser lies on a bunk bed. Gomez says he was crawling on his hands and knees when approached by Border Patrol agents and told agents he was in pain. Ushca Alcoser says he told agents he couldn't move after his fall.

Border Patrol does not track border wall injuries but reports deaths, including a pregnant woman who fell off the wall last year. According to El Paso Border Patrol Chief Gloria Chavez, when it's apparent someone is hurt, agents administer first aid and request an ambulance if needed. Ruben Garcia, director of Annunciation House, sees some of the badly injured migrants at the shelter after they're released from the hospital in El Paso. I'm talking about fractured legs in multiple places, fractured ankles, broken hips, ulcers, broken ribs, spinal injuries. And the falls from that height - it results in multi-system traumas.

If it's so easy to saw through the wall instead without being apprehended by the Border Patrol then why did all of these illegals attempt to climb over it and risk injury instead?
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