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Old 10-16-2008, 09:48 AM
 
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Its an emotionally charged issue with political consequences. Of all the candidates on both sides the only one with an aggressive approach was Duncan Hunter the congressman from San Diego. Both of these and most other candidates are chicken pupe on this issue and in the pocket of corporations or unions.
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:55 AM
 
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More to the point they both fear losing the hispanic vote....
Yes, an irrational fear, but the Mexican vote is deemed important. At least they are equally pro illegals. Maybe they are afraid of the Mexican government too.
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:59 AM
 
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Its an emotionally charged issue with political consequences. Of all the candidates on both sides the only one with an aggressive approach was Duncan Hunter the congressman from San Diego. Both of these and most other candidates are chicken pupe on this issue and in the pocket of corporations or unions.
Corporations, yes. Unions, no. They don't have much influence these days. From what I read, they are against illegals taking jobs from Americans.
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Old 10-16-2008, 10:01 AM
 
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Its an emotionally charged issue with political consequences. Of all the candidates on both sides the only one with an aggressive approach was Duncan Hunter the congressman from San Diego. Both of these and most other candidates are chicken pupe on this issue and in the pocket of corporations or unions.
Agreed. Except Ron Paul was also a staunch ally of American sovereignty and against amnesty.
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Old 10-16-2008, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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This is true. But, the fact that the moderators of these debates do not even broach the subject tells me that the truth is much deeper.

The media, politicians, and corporate lobbyists are in bed with each other and do not want this issue brought up.
This is a salient point! The MSM, politicians, and corporate lobbyists are indeed working in tandem. Much like plantation owners, politicians, and slave traders were in cahoots during slavery in the US. The difference being; now, the stakes are much higher.

The mainstream media, with a few exceptions, is owned by the corporate masters who obscenely profit from cheap illegal labor. They dare not broach the subject, lest they jeopardize their livelihood, and their ivory tower existence. Politicians are also beholden to the corporate masters who line their pockets, and have the power and resources to end their cushy careers. Lobbyists are simply henchmen, much like paid assassins. They are devoid of morals and integrity, and are simply doing the job they have been paid to do. The common denominator is greed.

In essence, free labor helped build this country, and cheap labor is destroying it.
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Old 10-16-2008, 01:09 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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Wrong. It is no mistake that the raids and deportations have stepped up this year. Who do you think stopped amnesty and the DreamAct dead in its tracks twice? Wishful thinking on the part of illegal aliens and their anchors will not make reality go away.

Illegal immigration is linked to the mortgage crisis and other pocket book issues. There may have been a time when a lot of Americans were in the dark, thanks to the tanking economy the angry masses are wide awake and growing.

No matter which traitor is elected, any mention of amnesty or secret voting during the night will be met with outrage and rejection.
i serioulsy doubt this.

you guys have had two years to put together counter marches against the immigrant marches. what will be different now? what will be the impetus?

people are happy with the way things are. a lot of people see the reality of our economic problems and it isnt a cheap illegal labor force by the way.

that lil iraq thing has a lot to do with our defecit.

the precise almost brilliant calculation of our tragic 9-11 set the tone for the next decade. we are living that now.
they attacked our defense, our money and were a hair away from attacking our head of state.
our response? we took the bait at the tune of trillions of dollars and what do we have to show for it?

nothing but resentment of a cheap labor force.

the economic hard times we face are not new or the fault of the illegals. did they play a role, im sure they did, just like greedy corporations did. but its larger than that. people see this.
sadly posters on this board are the face/monitor of the minority.

i dont know what would have to happen for the US people to really rally against this purported invasion. the raids are a solution. but they are very limited and very selective.

dont forget they aint raiding the farms and fields.

people are upset, but to a small degree.
i really think that our politicians would rather discuss larger more importatnt issues.
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Old 10-16-2008, 02:41 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Marches?

Why march? We speak much louder in other ways.

Every proposed Shamnesty in the last five years has been roundly and soundly defeated by furious Americans giving their elected representation an earful for even considering such a proposal to begin with.

No "one", if the American people cared as little as you seem to think, we would already be living and dealing with "Comprehensive Immigration Reform." Not happening though is it?
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Old 10-16-2008, 02:41 PM
 
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i serioulsy doubt this.

you guys have had two years to put together counter marches against the immigrant marches. what will be different now? what will be the impetus?

people are happy with the way things are. a lot of people see the reality of our economic problems and it isnt a cheap illegal labor force by the way.

that lil iraq thing has a lot to do with our defecit.

the precise almost brilliant calculation of our tragic 9-11 set the tone for the next decade. we are living that now.
they attacked our defense, our money and were a hair away from attacking our head of state.
our response? we took the bait at the tune of trillions of dollars and what do we have to show for it?

nothing but resentment of a cheap labor force.

the economic hard times we face are not new or the fault of the illegals. did they play a role, im sure they did, just like greedy corporations did. but its larger than that. people see this.
sadly posters on this board are the face/monitor of the minority.

i dont know what would have to happen for the US people to really rally against this purported invasion.
the raids are a solution. but they are very limited and very selective.

dont forget they aint raiding the farms and fields.

people are upset, but to a small degree.

i really think that our politicians would rather discuss larger more importatnt issues.
You can’t be serious.
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Old 10-16-2008, 02:45 PM
 
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You can’t be serious.
very
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Old 10-16-2008, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Floribama
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It's because everyone is panicking over the stock market and can only think about one issue. Once the stock market goes back up people will start thinking about immigration again, only then it will probably be too late.
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