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Old 11-30-2008, 06:52 PM
 
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Everyone knows MS 13 was founded in Los Angeles for protection from Black-American and Mexican-American gangs, and since spread out from the United States to Central America. Not the other way around.
No. Supposedly they got their start during some civil war in El Salvador a number of years ago.

But if you wish, blame it all on the USA, but then you'd think unlimited immigration to the USA would be too harmful for these poor innocents.

 
Old 11-30-2008, 06:52 PM
 
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I would not be so sure about that. There was a massacre the other day of 8 people in a restaurant in Juarez, besides a number of other executions that same day. It's generally about 12-16 murders a day in just that city.

They beheaded some guy and hung the corpse from an overpass the other week, they took some corpse and put a pigs face mask and hung his body on a window across from the fire station downtown Juarez.

The pile of 25 corpses found in a national park outside Mexico City, the 12 beheaded corpses piled up near Merida..... I doubt Russia has that.
You definitely have a problem with illegal immigration.
 
Old 11-30-2008, 06:54 PM
 
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Oh geez! Horrible crimes only happen in third world Mexico!

Oklahoma City bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can't really be this ignorant.
That does not justify leaving the border wide open and having unlimited illegal immigration by anyone whatsoever into the USA.
 
Old 11-30-2008, 06:55 PM
 
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You definitely have a problem with illegal immigration.
I most definitely do.

We already have the highest number of LEGAL immigrants of any nation in the world. Immigration must be fair, orderly and legal. It should not be a free-for-all and it should not be heavily in favor of just one nation. It should be balanced. Those who would like to come and become Americans, learn our language, adapt to our ways should be given preference.
 
Old 11-30-2008, 06:59 PM
 
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Everyone knows MS 13 was founded in Los Angeles for protection from Black-American and Mexican-American gangs, and since spread out from the United States to Central America. Not the other way around.
Not true. MS-13 ORIGINATED IN El Salvador.

After the war ended many of El Salvadors' youth (who had been trained by the US to use machetes as a weapon) were granted citizenship in return for helping the US troops. Once here, they felt displaced and expanded their small but very violent gang. Since that time they have branched out to include other hispanics worldwide.

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he MS-13 gang, aka Mara Salvatrucha 13, is one of the most violently dangerous gangs in the United States - and one of the most organized. The MS-13 gang has cliques, or factions, located throughout the United States and is unique in that it retains is ties to its El Salvador counterparts. With cliques in Washington DC, Oregon, Alaska, Arkansas, Texas, Nevada, Utah, Oklahoma, Illinois, Michigan, New York, Maryland, Virginia, Georgia, Florida, Canada, El Salvador, Guatemala, Mexico, and several other South American countries, the MS-13 gang is truly "international" and on the verge of becoming the first gang to be categorized as an "organized crime" entity.

Gang members, who sport numerous tattoos on their bodies and faces, wear blue and white colors taken from the El Salvadoran flag. Their membership is estimated to total over 36,000 in the Honduras alone. Members typically range in age from 11 to 40 years old. Their progressive increase in violent activities and careless disregard for the law (threats and attacks against law enforcement officials is common), has made them the most feared gang in the United States. MS-13 criminal activities include drug smuggling, gun running, people smuggling, hits for hire, theft, drug sales, arson, and of course, strong arming the locals. Their wide-ranging activities and elevated status has even caught the eye of the FBI who recently initiated wide-scale raids against known and suspected gang members netting hundreds of arrests across the country. Their penchant for violence is renowned. Members often arrive in the United States with fighting skills gained in military training and are particularly adept with machetes. In March 2004, the Maldon Institute, a Washington DC based think tank, released a report detailing the violent methods MS-13 used, including their increasingly typical (and disturbing) calling card. MS-13 often leaves behind dismembered corpses, complete with the decapitated head, at the scene of their murders. Often a grim note is attached to the body.


MS13 Gang
 
Old 11-30-2008, 07:06 PM
 
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Not true. MS-13 ORIGINATED IN El Salvador.

After the war ended many of El Salvadors' youth (who had been trained by the US to use machetes as a weapon) were granted citizenship in return for helping the US troops. Once here, they felt displaced and expanded their small but very violent gang. Since that time they have branched out to include other hispanics worldwide.
Mara Salvatrucha Gang - MS-13 (http://www.knowgangs.com/gang_resources/profiles/ms13/ - broken link)
Mara Salvatrucha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Old 11-30-2008, 07:07 PM
 
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No. Supposedly they got their start during some civil war in El Salvador a number of years ago.

But if you wish, blame it all on the USA, but then you'd think unlimited immigration to the USA would be too harmful for these poor innocents.
Who's "blaming it on the USA"?

Is it that hard to accept that bad things happen in the USA? By brown people? Or is it easier to believe it all got imported? And not in many cases exported?(see Crip gangs in South Africa)
 
Old 11-30-2008, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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That does not justify leaving the border wide open and having unlimited illegal immigration by anyone whatsoever into the USA.
Well who do you have a problem with? You say illegal immigrants, but then you go in the organized crime element in another country.

Are they any different to you, or do you see all Mexicans as one evil criminal element?
 
Old 11-30-2008, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Who's "blaming it on the USA"?

Is it that hard to accept that bad things happen in the USA? By brown people? Or is it easier to believe it all got imported? And not in many cases exported?(see Crip gangs in South Africa)
You have just been reported for your racist comment.
 
Old 11-30-2008, 08:00 PM
 
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I see no racist coment there;just a opinion. But it is just another sad expample of how bad its getting in thsi country ihn many places.
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