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Old 05-05-2009, 07:31 PM
 
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Fair enough-------------with the proviso that anybody knowingly aiding/abetting illegal aliens also receives serious prison time
Do you consider hiring an illegal immigrant to be equal to ganging up on one 1 man and kicking his head in?
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Old 05-05-2009, 07:39 PM
 
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Yes.....as ugly as this incident was, this silly quote adds nothing to the discussion except 'drama' and 'silliness', and erodes the credibility of the whole story.

This man may have died, and he may have been killed at 'the hands of others', at it may be an ugly affair....but he was NOT "killed based on his national heritage". He was killed in revenge for what he was peceived to have done.

Are there any OTHERS in that town who share the victim's heritage? Are they having "their heads stomped in", and are they being killed, "based on their national heritage"? If so, it's not apparent in the story....What seems to have happened is that a particularly odious predator was killed for his "habits", past and present....not for his heritage. And his being a "father, a brother, a son, and a partner" describes about 99.9% of all males everywhere, of every heritage.....but that doesn't mean we excuse their preying on children.

Ugly incident....but I believe it's far more related to the public's being FED UP with predators, than anyone's heritage.
Are you that willing to believe that these teen boys hang out at night making sure everything is right in the community? That they were being chivalrous in taunting the man and ganging up on him?
They did it to defend the girls honor?
This is just a case of good all American boys being fed up, and finally taking action against the forces of evil? So it's justified? And not only makes them innocent, but their actions understandable?

Because not every Hispanic person in this city have been attacked, that means there is no way this could be race related?

Murder is murder. It's a crime. People go to jail for it all the time.
Maybe they didn't mean to kill him, but neither do drunk drivers.
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Old 05-05-2009, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Do you consider hiring an illegal immigrant to be equal to ganging up on one 1 man and kicking his head in?
Considering that illegal aliens are invaders-------------yes.

I have no issue with handing down stiff prison time to the enablers of the above. They are de facto traitors IMHO.
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Old 05-05-2009, 08:28 PM
 
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Are you that willing to believe that these teen boys hang out at night making sure everything is right in the community? That they were being chivalrous in taunting the man and ganging up on him?
They did it to defend the girls honor?
This is just a case of good all American boys being fed up, and finally taking action against the forces of evil? So it's justified? And not only makes them innocent, but their actions understandable?

Because not every Hispanic person in this city have been attacked, that means there is no way this could be race related?

Murder is murder. It's a crime. People go to jail for it all the time.
Maybe they didn't mean to kill him, but neither do drunk drivers.
If he had not been in the US illegally, none of this would have happened. We point this out all the time when actual Americans are killed by illegal aliens, that if the illegal alien had not been in the US that specific crime would not have occurred and the American would be alive. Well you see, it cuts both ways. If this illegal alien had not been here, he would not have gotten into a fight with the 17 year olds that led to his death.

One more reason to close the border.
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Old 05-05-2009, 08:36 PM
 
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If he had not been in the US illegally, none of this would have happened. We point this out all the time when actual Americans are killed by illegal aliens, that if the illegal alien had not been in the US that specific crime would not have occurred and the American would be alive. Well you see, it cuts both ways. If this illegal alien had not been here, he would not have gotten into a fight with the 17 year olds that led to his death.

One more reason to close the border.
So since they shouldn't be here, we can go around picking off illegal aliens from a car with a rifle? They're technically not human since they aren't citizens, so we can murder them with no consequences?
And you seem to speak without laying any blame on the "17 year olds".
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Old 05-05-2009, 08:53 PM
 
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So since they shouldn't be here, we can go around picking off illegal aliens from a car with a rifle? They're technically not human since they aren't citizens, so we can murder them with no consequences?
And you seem to speak without laying any blame on the "17 year olds".
No this is the counterpoint to the illegal alien who kills an American while driving drunk. If the illegal alien had not been in the US, that specific accident would not have happened. In this case, if this guy had not been in the US illegally, he would still be alive. This is simply one more example of why a border fence is so important.

You are angry because an illegal alien was killed by Americans? Guess what? WE are angry that thousands of US citizens are killed by illegals. At least the individuals accused of killing the illegal alien were brought to trial, although you disagree with the verdict. Alot of the time, we don't even get the satisfaction of a trial. The illegal alien responsible for the crime simply disappears back into Mexico and walks away a free man.
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Old 05-05-2009, 09:01 PM
 
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No this is the counterpoint to the illegal alien who kills an American while driving drunk. If the illegal alien had not been in the US, that specific accident would not have happened. In this case, if this guy had not been in the US illegally, he would still be alive. This is simply one more example of why a border fence is so important.

You are angry because an illegal alien was killed by Americans? Guess what? WE are angry that thousands of US citizens are killed by illegals. At least the individuals accused of killing the illegal alien were brought to trial, although you disagree with the verdict. Alot of the time, we don't even get the satisfaction of a trial. The illegal alien responsible for the crime simply disappears back into Mexico and walks away a free man.
What's more disturbing is that YOU don't disagree with the verdict. Murder is murder, regardless of who it's committed against.
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Old 05-05-2009, 09:06 PM
 
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What's more disturbing is that YOU don't disagree with the verdict. Murder is murder, regardless of who it's committed against.
The jury heard all the evidence and that was their verdict.
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Old 05-05-2009, 09:31 PM
 
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The jury heard all the evidence and that was their verdict.
A jury in small town making a decision on a case involving the local beloved football stars.
An all white jury in a predominately white town where Hispanics are a new and foreign(and to some, a frightening) presence.

It's just not the ideal situation for justice to be carried out.

Murder is murder, is it not?
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Old 05-05-2009, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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A jury in small town making a decision on a case involving the local beloved football stars.
An all white jury in a predominately white town where Hispanics are a new and foreign(and to some, a frightening) presence.

It's just not the ideal situation for justice to be carried out.

Murder is murder, is it not?
As andreabeth stated: justice was served out for that illegal alien's murderers.

Now; how about those many violent illegal aliens who run away back to Mexico, etc----------------do they receive punishment for their crimes??
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