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[qupte]It's a complete outrage,'' Gladys Limon, an attorney with the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund,said in reaction to an all-white jury's verdict late Friday in the case of Brandon Piekarsky, 17, and Derrick Donchak, 19, both of Shenandoah, in the death of Luis Ramirez, 25, a Mexican immigrant.
''This was murder. Luis Ramirez was murdered. A father, a son, a brother, a partner was murdered.The message the verdict sends is you can kill a person, you can stomp on their head until the person dies, based on their national heritage.''[/quote]
Oh lord can we say ethnocentric drama queen looking a settlement . . ..
First and foremost Luis was a 25 year old child molester who impregnated and lived with a 15 year old child. This IS NOT Mexico where permission to marry and molest children starts once a child reaches the age of 12.
Second he was an illegal alien, NOT an "immigrant". The ethnocentric racists just can't help themselves. Even in death the blurring of the lines continue.
That being said, none of those involved in this altercation that resulted in his death are completely innocent of violent behavior. My guess is if Luis' "boys" had arrived at the scene in a timely manner, locked and loaded he'd be alive and readjusting to life in Mexico and those whom he did battle with would be dead.
At the end of the day, when you live by the sword, you die by it.
[qupte]It's a complete outrage,'' Gladys Limon, an attorney with the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund,said in reaction to an all-white jury's verdict late Friday in the case of Brandon Piekarsky, 17, and Derrick Donchak, 19, both of Shenandoah, in the death of Luis Ramirez, 25, a Mexican immigrant.
''This was murder. Luis Ramirez was murdered. A father, a son, a brother, a partner was murdered.The message the verdict sends is you can kill a person, you can stomp on their head until the person dies, based on their national heritage.''
Oh lord can we say ethnocentric drama queen looking a settlement . . ..
First and foremost Luis was a 25 year old child molester who impregnated and lived with a 15 year old child. This IS NOT Mexico where permission to marry and molest children starts once a child reaches the age of 12.
Second he was an illegal alien, NOT an "immigrant". The ethnocentric racists just can't help themselves. Even in death the blurring of the lines continue.
That being said, none of those involved in this altercation that resulted in his death are completely innocent of violent behavior. My guess is if Luis' "boys" had arrived at the scene in a timely manner, locked and loaded he'd be alive and readjusting to life in Mexico and those whom he did battle with would be dead.
At the end of the day, when you live by the sword, you die by it.[/quote]
Very true
This is the part about assimilation that can't be announced enough. This is America morons, it might fly in your Country but not here. Adhere to our laws or split.
Is anyone familiar with the book "I know why the caged bird sings"?
In it, the author Maya Angelou talks about a time when she was a preteen/early teenaged girl and an older adult friend of the family continuously sexually assualted her. When she finally had the courage to tell her grandmother (or another family member, can't remember) about it all of her male relatives took this guy to an abandoned lot and beat him to death.
Was this murder? Yes. Was it a racially motivated crime? No.
Was this a racially motivated crime? No, it doesnot appear to be.
There may have been a cultural clash more than a racial one. Seeing a pedophile lurking around looking for young prey can set off violent emotions.
This man wasn't assaulted for being with his older girlfriend and home with their kids. It had a whole lot to do with the time of night he was out, the fact that he was acting like a predator.
Most likely they meant to beat him up, teach him a lesson but like any gang fights, things escalate. The pedophile victim was calling in his fellow gang members and intended to do damage to the American kids. In this case the teen boys were not likely completely innocent darlings but the victim was not innocent in the least.
I think in this case, it's some rowdy boys who were drinking, they encounter the pedophile mashing on some young girl and started calling him names. He starts bringing in his fellow thugs and a fight breaks out. The kids could have been killed or the older men killed. It ended up a gang fight with a cultural aspect, each side defending what are it's cultural ways.
there is more to this. wasnt the girl he was with related to him or his girlfriend?
and i dont know about his past as a pedophile, any info on that would be nice to read.
but if in fact it was a fight gone bad, well there should still be some ramifications. especially if he was ganged up on.
a kick to head is pretty serious...
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Originally Posted by tinman01
1. The prosecution didn't make their case.
2. The defence did a better job.
3. The victim was less than ideal
4. The boys got off light but then so do many many other criminals.
''This was murder. Luis Ramirez was murdered. A father, a son, a brother, a partner was murdered.[/b] The message the verdict sends is you can kill a person, you can stomp on their head until the person dies, based on their national heritage.''
Oh lord can we say ethnocentric drama queen
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Yes.....as ugly as this incident was, this silly quote adds nothing to the discussion except 'drama' and 'silliness', and erodes the credibility of the whole story.
This man may have died, and he may have been killed at 'the hands of others', at it may be an ugly affair....but he was NOT "killed based on his national heritage". He was killed in revenge for what he was peceived to have done.
Are there any OTHERS in that town who share the victim's heritage? Are they having "their heads stomped in", and are they being killed, "based on their national heritage"? If so, it's not apparent in the story....What seems to have happened is that a particularly odious predator was killed for his "habits", past and present....not for his heritage. And his being a "father, a brother, a son, and a partner" describes about 99.9% of all males everywhere, of every heritage.....but that doesn't mean we excuse their preying on children.
Ugly incident....but I believe it's far more related to the public's being FED UP with predators, than anyone's heritage.
Yes.....as ugly as this incident was, this silly quote adds nothing to the discussion except 'drama' and 'silliness', and erodes the credibility of the whole story.
This man may have died, and he may have been killed at 'the hands of others', at it may be an ugly affair....but he was NOT "killed based on his national heritage". He was killed in revenge for what he was peceived to have done.
Are there any OTHERS in that town who share the victim's heritage? Are they having "their heads stomped in", and are they being killed, "based on their national heritage"? If so, it's not apparent in the story....What seems to have happened is that a particularly odious predator was killed for his "habits", past and present....not for his heritage. And his being a "father, a brother, a son, and a partner" describes about 99.9% of all males everywhere, of every heritage.....but that doesn't mean we excuse their preying on children.
Ugly incident....but I believe it's far more related to the public's being FED UP with predators, than anyone's heritage.
In my opinion, ethnic advocacy groups such as NCLR and MALDEF deserve as much blame for the flood of illegal aliens here in the US as our pandering politicians and corrupt business owners. Illegal aliens know that if someone so much as looks at them cross-eyed, that they can scream racism and one of these groups will come to their defense and try to turn it into a hate crime.
This fight broke out because this 25 year old guy was preying on a young teen late at night. Can MALDEF honestly claim that nothing would have happened if some lecherous white guy was hitting on a 15 year old? Or a Chinese man? That these 17 year olds would have simply walked on by? The 25 year old victim was the only supposed adult in the group, why didn't he simply the ignore 17 year olds? So what if they said they thought his 'girlfriend' was out too late. That was hardly something worth coming to blows over.
Yes.....as ugly as this incident was, this silly quote adds nothing to the discussion except 'drama' and 'silliness', and erodes the credibility of the whole story.
This man may have died, and he may have been killed at 'the hands of others', at it may be an ugly affair....but he was NOT "killed based on his national heritage". He was killed in revenge for what he was peceived to have done.
Are there any OTHERS in that town who share the victim's heritage? Are they having "their heads stomped in", and are they being killed, "based on their national heritage"? If so, it's not apparent in the story....What seems to have happened is that a particularly odious predator was killed for his "habits", past and present....not for his heritage. And his being a "father, a brother, a son, and a partner" describes about 99.9% of all males everywhere, of every heritage.....but that doesn't mean we excuse their preying on children.
Ugly incident....but I believe it's far more related to the public's being FED UP with predators, than anyone's heritage.
its sick when people are beat to death. these guys deserve serious jail time.
reminds me of the bird rock bandits...
Fair enough-------------with the proviso that anybody knowingly aiding/abetting illegal aliens also receives serious prison time
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said in reaction to an all-white jury's verdict late Friday in the case of Brandon Piekarsky, 17, and Derrick Donchak, 19, both of Shenandoah, in the death of Luis Ramirez, 25, a Mexican immigrant.
