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Sorry, should have been clearer: I was agreeing that those who overstay their visa should be deported. However, we can't treat those who enter our country illegally in the same manner.
I think the feds could easily figure out who entered our country legally or illegally. Those who came on any type of visa would still have this as proof - even if expired. An illegal would not have documents to prove his rightful entry. It's not rocket science here.
If they got here one at a time, then they can leave here one at a time.
Somebody has to ask...and set up a procedure to do it. And then you have to validate that the papers provided are in fact real.
One of the problems with illegal entry is that it is a criminal offense. And that kicks off all the rules about criminal procedures. And providing the illegal with a lawyer which is not otherwise required. Now you got a thing going that can run weeks or months and cost thousands of dollars.
So one ignores the issue. Here illegal out you go. That way it takes a few hours most of the time.
Always watch out for the "all you got to do is" stuff. Generally does not work that way.
Illegal Entry in the US is a crime. That has been a given since this thread started if you bothered to read it.
Illegal Presence in the US is not.
Olecapt, I owe you an apology. I thought you were "THE KING OF SPIN", sorry to say you're not worthy of that title. That title goes to none other than the U.S. government themselves, our lawmakers!
I honestly get it now. You're a criminal if you enter this country illegally, but once you make it in it's not a crime being here.
Anybody, anybody at all, think it's time to re-write a few laws? Problem is, is there anybody in government capable of writing common sense laws?
Olecapt, I owe you an apology. I thought you were "THE KING OF SPIN", sorry to say you're not worthy of that title. That title goes to none other than the U.S. government themselves, our lawmakers!
I honestly get it now. You're a criminal if you enter this country illegally, but once you make it in it's not a crime being here.
Anybody, anybody at all, think it's time to re-write a few laws? Problem is, is there anybody in government capable of writing common sense laws?
Our goverment does way to many dumb things. Especialy bout illegal aliens.
Olecapt, I owe you an apology. I thought you were "THE KING OF SPIN", sorry to say you're not worthy of that title. That title goes to none other than the U.S. government themselves, our lawmakers!
I honestly get it now. You're a criminal if you enter this country illegally, but once you make it in it's not a crime being here.
Anybody, anybody at all, think it's time to re-write a few laws? Problem is, is there anybody in government capable of writing common sense laws?
Again I think you miss the point. You really can't rewrite the laws. Or at the least you will have to start with the Constitution. In our form of government there are a set of constraints and procedures that must be followed in a criminal matter.
If you were to convert illegal presence into a criminal offense you would likely simply bring the process to a halt. It is much more difficult to pursue a criminal matter than a civil administrative procedure.
try it this way...If we treated illegal presence as criminal the number of people deported would likely go down by a factor of ten or more.
Is that your intent?
Note that there are a whole lot of other reasons why you don't want illegal presence to be a crime. But the procedural ones alone should convince you.
And note that if you make it past ten years illegal entry ceases to be a crime...or at least no longer prosecutable.
We don't really need new laws, all it would take is to enforce the laws we currently have.
There is no law that says the food stamp office couldn't call border patrol when someone who isn't a citizen comes looking for food stamps. The irony is that illegals aren't hiding, they aren't staying in the shadows. They've become very bold and blatant.
Using a stolen or fraudulent social security number is actually a felony crime.
Working for cash and failing to report it, failing to pay social security taxes and so on is tax evasion at the very least.
Maybe instead of ICE, we should have the IRS go after them.
Cites? Particularly using a made up SS # is a felony?
Why do you guys always agree by the backdoor. What you are of course saying is that working for cash is legal...even for an illegal alien .
Failure to report income is illegal and could be a crime. I believe however it is virtually always handled as a civil offense. You have a cite of a different protocol?
For the IRS to go after someone practically requires some reasonable amount of taxes due. Do you believe most illegals make enough to be worth the cost?
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Especialy bout illegal aliens.
