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Old 08-22-2008, 12:36 PM
 
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The Mexicans are going to make the U.S. look like Indonesia?

Hahahahahahahaha
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Old 08-22-2008, 01:01 PM
 
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The Mexicans are going to make the U.S. look like Indonesia?
That is what it will look like in the good neighborhoods.
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Old 08-22-2008, 01:05 PM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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That's pretty much speculation. When part of the U.S did belong to Mexico, in California, there were missions. Lots and lots of missions. Don't look too bad :
That's because it belongs to California now.

This is the part that belongs to Mexico now - see the difference?

http://www.usborderpatrol.com/TijuanaBorderHouse.jpg
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Old 08-22-2008, 01:10 PM
 
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That's because it belongs to California now.

This is the part that belongs to Mexico now - see the difference?

http://www.usborderpatrol.com/TijuanaBorderHouse.jpg
You know what else belongs to the U.S?

But of course, illegals are to blame for this.
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Old 08-22-2008, 01:13 PM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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You know what else belongs to the U.S?

But of course, illegals are to blame for this.
According to whom?
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Old 08-22-2008, 01:14 PM
 
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According to whom?
Read the past posts, I'm sure you can figure out who.
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Old 08-22-2008, 01:36 PM
 
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That's pretty much speculation. When part of the U.S did belong to Mexico, in California, there were missions. Lots and lots of missions. Don't look too bad :
Not the best point you could have made, Californio. Mexico only owned California for a very short time....during which most of the missions were 'secularized', their properties sold off or given away to government' cronies' (some locals, some gringos), and largely left to fall into ruin for many decades.

By all means, use all the examples you want...but the relationship between the short-lived rule of Mexico, and the mission system, wasn't a 'pretty story' at all. Mexico didn't "build" the missions, it inherited them....and then pretty much trashed them. Look it up.
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Old 08-22-2008, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Not the best point you could have made, Californio. Mexico only owned California for a very short time....during which most of the missions were 'secularized', their properties sold off or given away to government' cronies' (some locals, some gringos), and largely left to fall into ruin for many decades.

By all means, use all the examples you want...but the relationship between the short-lived rule of Mexico, and the mission system, wasn't a 'pretty story' at all. Mexico didn't "build" the missions, it inherited them....and then pretty much trashed them. Look it up.
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Old 08-22-2008, 02:13 PM
 
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Thank you, Guy. Though these guys don't look, at first glance, as if they'd have any strong opinions on the California Mission system either "pro" or "con", any support is welcome.
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Old 08-22-2008, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Thank you, Guy. Though these guys don't look, at first glance, as if they'd have any strong opinions on the California Mission system either "pro" or "con", any support is welcome.
I wasn't sure if anyone else even knew the story of the Spanish missions in California, but I was grateful that you did. Do you think you'll get any acknowledgment from Californio, or will we be destined to listen to more *crickets*?
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