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Old 10-16-2009, 05:04 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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No, but those that did march were mostly Mexicans/Latinos both legal and illegal. That doesn't mean that they represented the viewpoint of all the Latinos in this country.
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Old 10-16-2009, 05:06 PM
 
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so those that marched represent all the mexicans or latinos in the US?
No, but the Hispanic ‘leadership’ (NCLR, MALDEF, Gutierrez, et al.) purports to represent the majority, and they were most definitely there -- in all of their ethnocentric bliss.
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Old 10-16-2009, 05:31 PM
 
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So now Mexican-Americans are supposed to "owe loyalty" to Mexico, instead of assimilating like they formerly did? So...what's wrong with THAT?...Isn't this a perfectly natural outgrowth of the whole concept of 'multiculturalism', which is what we're all looking forward to? Aren't people SUPPOSED to be loyal to their own ethnicities and cultures? Aren't they supposed to be PROUD of their ethnic group? I thought the whole idea of 'multiculturalism' and 'diversity' was that we all ought to 'celebrate our differences'.

It sounds to ME like these folks are doing exactly that..."celebrating" the fact that they're different and 'special', and aren't willing to lose their ancestral values. The rest of us should be so determined.

Perhaps Mexican-Americans are considering being "loyal" to Mexico, because Mexico DEMANDS it..unlike the USA, which today, demands NOTHING of them (or of ANY of us), tells them (and the rest of us) that there IS no American culture...no American language...and nothing anyone must do to "be" an American. Maybe Mexico ASKS more of its far-flung 'citizens' (even if they've been away for 200 years), and maybe that makes them feel valued...since we here in the US demand NOTHING of anybody. Maybe they're unable to respect the USA, because today the USA neither demands, nor gets much respect. In fact, as a group, Mexican-Americans are probably in a position even more than the rest of us, to see with their own eyes that the USA doesn't even respect its own border.

Maybe these Mexican-Americans find this strong ethnocentric message appealing, because it defines who they are...."Mexicans"....in contrast to the message they recieve from the American society, which has no way to define who "it" is, nor how to even define what "American" even means. Maybe they sense that Mexico is PROUD of its culture...while the USA, apparently, can't even seem to agree that it HAS a culture. Maybe "multiculturalism" just isn't an idea anyone can really feel passionate about, and maybe people just can't gravitate to any 'organization' which can't seem to put any value on itself.

Just a possibility, you understand. Only my own personal opinion..

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Old 10-16-2009, 05:41 PM
 
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i doubt nclr and maldef, et al were waving mexican flags.
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No, but the Hispanic ‘leadership’ (NCLR, MALDEF, Gutierrez, et al.) purports to represent the majority, and they were most definitely there -- in all of their ethnocentric bliss.
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Old 10-16-2009, 05:47 PM
 
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i doubt nclr and maldef, et al were waving mexican flags.
The leadership of those organizations may not have been there but their followers certainly were with the full blessing and same viewpoints as the leadership.
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Old 10-16-2009, 05:48 PM
 
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i would be suprised if a quarter of those that marched back in 06 could tell you what any of these initials stand for...



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The leadership of those organizations may not have been there but their followers certainly were with the full blessing and same viewpoints as the leadership.
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Old 10-16-2009, 05:50 PM
 
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well it works this way. once you find out you can come here and dont have to obey any law, which to a large extent is true, next conclusion is that you make the laws. its kind of like getting really friendly with a woman--- until she says no, it all seems like a good idea.
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Old 10-16-2009, 05:53 PM
 
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i owuld be suprised if a quarter of thos that marched back in 06 could tell you what any of these initials stand for...

Oh, please you know better than that. What difference does it make anyway? Those that marched adhered to the same ethnocentric agenda as those racist organizations.
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Old 10-16-2009, 05:59 PM
 
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is that what you think about those orgs?

you are always showing your ignorance of the facts.

read up on NCLR. or maldef.
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Oh, please you know better than that. What difference does it make anyway? Those that marched adhered to the same ethnocentric agenda as those racist organizations.
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Old 10-16-2009, 06:31 PM
 
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is that what you think about those orgs?

you are always showing your ignorance of the facts.

read up on NCLR. or maldef.
I have read up on them and I have seen their representatives on tv. Their words prove exactly what I am saying. You are the ignorant one and/or in denial about what these organizations are all about. Any race based group is racist IMO.
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