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View Poll Results: Are You For Amnesty For The Illegals
yes 25 11.11%
no 185 82.22%
other 6 2.67%
not sure 9 4.00%
Voters: 225. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-04-2010, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Pretty tough commute. Whether their parents rent or own, they pay the same real estate taxes that you do. They pay the same state and local sales taxes and federal excise taxes that you do as well. Most of them pay the same income and payroll taxes also. Their kids have the same right to a free public education as yours do. They have the same right to call an ambulance or the fire department, to use public parks, and to take books out of the public library.
If said parents and kids are here illegally: they have no rights to any of the above. Read that they have the same rights as other criminals.
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Old 04-04-2010, 09:00 PM
 
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As long as they speak decent to great English and are working or going to college here i'm fine. Immigrants ive noticed have fixed up bad areas in cities and towns here in the Northeast in recent years. They seem to be more open minded then us Americans. Only 5% of them are Criminals the rest are good people. US Americans are forgetting that we were all immigrants at one point.
So being able to speak English while taking American jobs or taking up space in our colleges justifies them breaking our immigration laws? For the most part they haven't fixed any cities and towns they have downgraded them. Open minded? What does that mean? You have a link to the stats that claim that only 5% are criminals? Are stolen and fake documents factored into that 5% that you pulled out of a hat? No, most Americans are not immigrants, they were born here.
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Old 04-04-2010, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I wonder how many Americans could live by the strict standard you have just described for illegal aliens?
Irrelevant. Americans have certain perks conferred by citizenship in this nation. Flip side: Mexicans have rights SoB that we do not.
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Old 04-04-2010, 09:11 PM
 
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This isn't an easy question. Seems people want to throw the gates on the borders ( that don't work, never have and never will) but what about the 18 yo high school student that grew up in this country, he knows nothing about Mexico, other than his parents came here illegally when he was only a few months old. He went to school, achieved, studied music was offered scholarships based on merit to realize he can't take them for fear of being sent to a country he has no ties to.... it doesn't seem fair to send him back.
These immigrants are the hardest working people. They strive to make their lives better and that of their family. When we have Americans that do nothing more than sit back and suck the life out of the system, never work, and do nothing but reproduce another generation of people unable to contribute..... I'd rather keep the illegals and send them away....
We all have to pay for breaking laws. Illegal entry merits deportation. Why should illegals get a pass on breaking laws or be granted amnesty because their parents came here illegally? People move all the time and they adjust. Let them take their skills and education back to the homeland and improve those countries.

They aren't immigrants by the way. They are illegal aliens and they as a group don't work any harder than anyone else does. The ones who do, do so because of fear of deportation. Our American life suckers are our own problem. We don't need to add foreign life suckers to the mix. Most Americans do contribute to our society but of course you would dwell on the losers in our society to justify the presence of illegal aliens in our country. Sorry, but that doesn't cut it. Go ahead and keep the illegals for yourself then and feel free to feed, clothe, provide housing, healthcare and education for them on your own dime.
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Old 04-04-2010, 09:27 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Try again. Hostility is growing against any sort of amnesty.
The dems will not see your point.

Or they will try their best to lie their way out of it.

We all know the majority of liberals believe that ALL illegals should just be handed amnesty.

Remember the dems think the American people are stupid and will stoop to any level to scam the American people into thinking they are against any amnesty when in fact they are not.

In other terms, the dems are being two-faced about this issue to scam the American people once again.

The elections coming should be about the economy, HC and amnesty issue as well as complete and utter failures of this democratic controlled congress since 2007.

This congress has not accomplished a single major thing in more then 3 years and in most cases have spent time on issue such as HC instead of more important issues such as jobs.

Amnesty for illegals needs to be talked about and the facts put out now and every day until election day.

We also need to inform the American people that the liberals are lying about what they believe and in most cases they would hand the illegals a free pass in a heartbeat.

It is clear, the conservative republicans are against amnesty and want people to come to America legally.

The liberals are for amnesty and in most cases aid illegals by finding ways to allow them to stay and continue to come into our country. They are against anything that would keep the illegals from coming over our borders.
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Old 04-05-2010, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Orlando
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First of all this 18 year old has very strong ties to Mexico, he is a citizen of that country, his parents are from there and there's a 99.9% chance or more that his first and primary language is Spanish.

It's absurd that he would know nothing of Mexico, it's a neighboring country and he should have by age 18 had at least one geography class. I'm sure he knows something of plenty of countries, Mexico, Brazil, Canada, England.

Mexico has universities and many of them are state subsidized so that citizens of that country pay no tuition so this wonderful student not only gets to learn MORE about his own country, there's no reason he cannot attend university there. No reason at all. Mexico is actually a very nice country in spite of what the illegals claim.

Actually he doesn't speak Spanish at all. and has never been to Mexico. He was raised in Indiana. you assertions are certainly not based on any facts with this particular case, but certainly seems to be strewn with your prejudgments.
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Old 04-05-2010, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Orlando
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legal immigrants are totally different. We are not talking about our forefathes who came here legally, we are talking about illegals who for the most part don't even want to learn English....

Nita
legally? ask the Native Americans if that is true... unfortunately for them they didn't have a concept of land ownership. Im not sure how you can call a bunch of zealots stealing land legal....
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Old 04-05-2010, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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1. The Reagan Amnesty granted a blanket Amnesty to Illegal Aliens.
FALSE
The Reagan Amnesty wasn’t for all Illegal Aliens, there were many requirements that had to be met for Illegals to be eligible. Among them were certain residency requirements, no felony convictions, less than three misdemeanor convictions, medical examinations, etc. They can be found in the following subsection:
"Sec. 245A. (a) Temporary Resident Status.--The Attorney General shall adjust the status of an alien to that of an alien lawfully admitted for temporary residence if the alien meets the following requirements:
2. The Reagan Amnesty granted automatic citizenship to Illegal Aliens.
FALSE
As seen above in Section 245A., the adjustment of status for Illegal Aliens was to admission for “temporary residence.”
3. The Reagan Amnesty granted citizenship to some Illegal Aliens.
FALSE
Again, as seen above in Section 245A., the adjustment of status for Illegal Aliens was to admission for “temporary residence.”
4. The Reagan Amnesty granted automatic permanent residence (green cards) to Illegal Aliens.
FALSE
Once again, as seen above in Section 245A., the adjustment of status for Illegal Aliens was to admission for temporary residence.”
For permanent residence requirements, one must go to Section 245(b):
"(b) Subsequent Adjustment to Permanent Residence and Nature of Temporary Resident Status.--
The adjustment to permanent residence for legalized Illegals wasn’t “automatic,” they had to be legalized as temporary workers first, and subsequently adjusted to permanent status. For adjustment to permanent status, the legalized-Illegal had to apply between eighteen and thirty months after being granted his temporary residence, under Section 245(b).1.A.

5. The Reagan Amnesty granted immediate permanent residence (green cards) to some Illegal Aliens.
FALSE

And yet again, as seen above in Section 245A., the adjustment of status for Illegal Aliens was to admission for temporary residence.”
Same 245(b)(1)(A) applies: requirements for all Illegals adjusted to temporary residence, as seen above at Question #4, before being granted permanent residence.
6. The Reagan Amnesty was granted to Illegal Aliens, free of charge.
FALSE
Illegal Aliens had to pay a fee to be legalized as temporary residents, under Section 245(c)(7)(A) :
"(7) Application fees.--


"(A) Fee schedule.--The Attorney General shall provide for a schedule of fees to be charged for the filing of applications for adjustment under subsection (a) or (b)(1).
Bonus Question:

The Reagan Amnesty mentions the word “Amnesty.”
FALSE
Do the word search on Title II, Section 201 (http://uscis.gov/lpBin/lpext.dll/inserts/publaw/publaw-158/publaw-1243?f=templates&fn=document-frame.htm#publaw-pl99603ii201 - broken link)yourself.
Or scroll below, where I’ve posted the entire Section of the legislation that is devoted to Legalization of Status for Illegal Aliens.
Double Secret Bonus Question:

The word “Amnesty” is mentioned in the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986.
FALSE
Go ahead; search every Title and Section of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. (http://uscis.gov/lpBin/lpext.dll/inserts/publaw/publaw-158?f=templates&fn=document-frame.htm - broken link)
The Reagan Amnesty didn’t call itself an Amnesty, anywhere in the legislation.
None of this responds to anything I said.
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Old 04-05-2010, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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None of this responds to anything I said.
In other words, there isn’t much difference between the “temporary residence” granted during the Reagan Administration, and the “path to citizenship” proposed today.
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Old 04-05-2010, 11:58 AM
 
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legally? ask the Native Americans if that is true... unfortunately for them they didn't have a concept of land ownership. Im not sure how you can call a bunch of zealots stealing land legal....
Why should we ask the Native Americans about it? What has that to do with our right to have immigration laws today?
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