03-02-2009, 01:57 PM
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SBIBuilder,
You are right. It is unfortunate that experiences like mine taint the industry. I have several friends who are builders and experience the same frustration.
Notwithstanding those who would bash a contractor out of selfishness or plain meanness, I hope you would place the blame for this frustration primarily on the unprofessional "associates" rather than those of us who speak out about them.
Please keep up your good work; hopefully your next generation will do the same. The best way to fight the tainted industry is to keep the good ones and blow the whistle on the bad ones!
One way to tell who the bad ones are is by talking to those who have bought their homes, such as I have done with Weiss Homes. So far, no one, and I mean NO ONE, has been positive toward them.
Domergurl, while this is fact and not document, I have those too...they will no longer be able to INSULATE themselves against the hundreds of contracts they have FALLEN SHORT on.
03-02-2009, 08:25 PM
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What an active board! This is a neat forum for discussion. Yes, XRay, I find fault with my "peers", not their unsatisfied clientele. Shoddy workmanship results in some people really thinking that the homes built 100 years ago were more structurally sound and dependable (they are not, when modern building practices are utilized correctly), as one poster said earlier in this thread.
03-03-2009, 05:28 AM
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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X ... please don't take my caution as your being stifled. We had a big blow up over a builder that put us in a libelous situation and I let it get out of hand. I'd rather be cautious from the get go.
I have former neighbors who had a horrible horrible horrible experience with Weis, so I am somewhat familiar with their shoddy work.
Again ... not trying to stifle.
03-03-2009, 08:39 AM
Location: Flatlands of Indiana (Mishawaka)
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The biggest problem I see with that is that most track builders (in many cases) do not even have a buyer at the start of construction and may not have one until it is nearly finished or completed. This prevents the potential home buyer from being involved in the process. At the most a buyer is involved in upgrades they want after the fact. Several of my neighbors and people I know and even some friends are in the construction/remodeling business and they will tell me that in general the customer has no idea what they are looking at when it comes to the actual work being performed. Although there are many good and honest contractors out there, there are still many individuals that take advantage of this which in turn leaves a dark shadow over those that want and do the job correctly. And as you stated sometimes it is the subcontractors that are the worse at this knowing that the general contractor is stretched to thin to be involved in every aspect of the job at hand. Unfortunatly this is usually caused trying to make the money when the market is there and many good contractors lose sight in how they got to where they are today, with good quality and service. It is sometimes hard to blame someone for making money when the opprotunity presents itself knowing how the economy has been over the last couple of decades with all the ups and downs.
It is also the responsibility of the buyer to educate themselves as much as possible before they make the largest single purchase of their lives in most cases. That is a problem these days, when most people want something they don't take the time to educate themselves first all they know is that they want it now so when problems arise they feel the need to place blame on everyone else but themselves.
You are correct about the buyer not being involved in houses already built. That is why (which I did not state) I would only buy a new house if I could be involved from the start. I also stated that the buyer should ask questions about any and everything they do not understand. There are so many sources of knowledge that one could find answers to almost every question possible. Of course I am a researcher. I love to ask questions so I know what I am getting. (We agree on this for sure
)
You are correct about the making the buck when and where one can. A quality builder I mentioned before, went out of business for many reasons. One of which was not getting paid. That is a whole other story though. There are some excellent builders out there. One gets what one pays for though. A quality house is not cheap. A builder who builds the most houses is not necessary the best builder.
Have peace I miss IND,
wc@h
03-06-2009, 11:23 AM
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No problems here
I just saw this post and thought I should reply and say that we have had three homes built by Weiss Homes over the past decade or so and have always had a good experience. I don't know what went wrong with the other posters, but that is not the experience of my neighbors and myself.
Not that everything was perfect, but we didn't expect perfection. We expected that if something wasn't right, then it would be made right and it was. We had an issue after we moved in, after hours one day and called the emergency pager number and it was handled really well. The guy who answered the pager sent out a subcontractor right away and called to check to be sure that the subcontractor actually came out.
We can't afford a custom home, so I know we will build with them again in the future. I liked how they had selections in one place and the upgrades were already priced, so we knew that we didn't pay more than our neighbor for the same thing.
EK
03-06-2009, 03:00 PM
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I just saw this post and thought I should reply and say that we have had three homes built by Weiss Homes over the past decade or so and have always had a good experience. I don't know what went wrong with the other posters, but that is not the experience of my neighbors and myself.
EK
3 houses built in ten years! Amazing! If not unbelievable.
You may have been INSULATED from a list of grievances as many (I didn't say all) seem to have encountered. However, I bet you you were NOT INSULATED SUFFICIENTLY from what hundreds may soon discover. I make no promises, mind you, but LOOK AT YOUR CONTRACT.
03-07-2009, 08:40 AM
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I called and e-mailed my construction manager @ Weiss, he met me on site with a stack of spec. telling me he me the spec of the joist builder when making many large hole in the webs and in the top plate of the joist. I couldn’t believe what he said so I went to GP's web site and down loaded the spec. The manager either couldn't read or was lying. I then took photos of all of my concerns and sent a CD to David Weiss and the building inspector. Weiss has hired an engineer to inspect and recommend repairs, he will reinsert after repair are made. If I didn’t go through the work of first inspecting then meeting with Weiss, then looking for the specs reviewing them and going back to the site taking photos of my concerns, then making CDs of the problems this would of all been swept under the rug. Should any one have to go through all of this when having a home built? I don’t think so!
03-07-2009, 08:53 AM
Location: Flatlands of Indiana (Mishawaka)
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3 houses built in ten years! Amazing! If not unbelievable.
You may have been INSULATED from a list of grievances as many (I didn't say all) seem to have encountered. However, I bet you you were NOT INSULATED SUFFICIENTLY from what hundreds may soon discover. I make no promises, mind you, but LOOK AT YOUR CONTRACT.
Hi xray eyes. You have eluded to insulation problems several times. Just out of curiosity, what problems did you run into ? I am sure others would be interested as well.
Thanks for the inSIGHT xray eyes!
03-20-2009, 09:09 PM
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Here's the deal with insulation. I am going to explain first what has been done in my house and then share what I have found recently.
I have a half built house. It has been that way since December 2007 when Weiss ceased construction. (It is a little complicated, but a trial is set in berrien County for May 19 this year.) My contract says I will have 2x4 wall construction with R13 batt. It goes on to describe the rest of the wall construction including 1/2" styrofoam sheathing. Finally, it promises I will have exterior walls with R19. I do not.
In fact, I am led to believe no one in the last 10 years has R19 exterior walls. Yes, I know this could be 1500 homes. follow me here.
I have knocked on a few doors and met some other Weiss owners. I saw their contracts and their homes. The basic clause in the Weiss contract appears not to have changed since at least 1998; they all promised R19 exterior walls. They all used 2x4 construction, R13 batt insulation and 1/2" styrofoam sheathing. at best these homes probably have R16. The FTC R-value rule (which does apply to new home builders) says a 10% difference is significant. End of story.
The media is interested in this obviously, but I could use some help. So far, no one I spoke with is very happy with Weiss but I am looking for homeowners who (1) want to consider class action and (2) may be willing to share their home. (brotherskeeper12@yahoo.com)
I cannot comment on SBNflyer. maybe he is a friendly or an employee. Maybe he is authentic. I do not claim Weiss has no happy customers, even if they may be unaware of a breach of contract.
The are several very interesting issues in my case that may apply to others in addition to insulation. For instance, Their Michigan license status is being challenged as well as the licensing of salespeople. In Michigan, a builder's salesperson must be licensed under the builder code (real estate broker code is altogether different). It looks like Weiss has NO builder salesperson licenses. There is a hearing April 13 on these issues. Public is welcome.
03-20-2009, 09:14 PM
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I should mention statute of limitations is 6 years in MI and 10 years in IN. I am not sure if this can begin at the point of awareness or if the strict contract date (or completion date) is to be used. If it is the move in date then there are still a number of affected people that could seek damages.
I have been told it could cost $10,000-$12,000 per house just to install additional styorofoam sheathing (R&R the vinyl siding). Also consider the additional savings on utilities. If this shoe fits you have paid too much. Some people feel their utilities are good, but should they have been better??
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People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)