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Old 12-23-2013, 04:52 PM
 
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i disagree with that its only on paper statement folks make.

that money is all yours the same as money in a bank account. only difference is you chose to let it flucuate everyday.

no different than working on commission or working on salary. your pay check is still your pay check.

people have a funny way of thinking about money. how many times do you here people say they are playing with house money. bull, that money is your money the same as your interest is your money on your account.

money magazine once asked this question.

you are in your room in vegas and are up 1k from the night before.

do you bet the same,more or less the next night.

98% said they would bet more since they have the houses money.

they then asked this.

your in the room in vegas and you notice you subtracted wrong in your checkbook. you have 1k more than you realized.

do you bet the same ,less or more the next night.

98% again said they would bet the same as this is their money.

IT'S ALL YOUR MONEY IN EITHER CASE

it is foolish thinking but this is what goes on in our heads as humans .

i n fact after a few transactions and trades and years in the markets you have no clue what house money is .

i started investing 25 years ago. i couldn't even tell you what i started with and quite frankly who cares. every day it is all my own money.

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Old 12-23-2013, 09:12 PM
 
Location: TX
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You're right mathjak, as usual, although I like to discourage all comparisons of investing to gambling.

One thing people forget with investments is that owning a block of stock or a fund is a distinct asset. Just because it is electronic and quoted every day does not change this fact.

Thus it is a dear mistake to look at your account every day and think, "Well if I sold it all right now I'd have $X," or "I lost $10,000 today." It's the wrong mentality. The quote cannot always be trusted to reflect the asset's real value.

If you wouldn't sell your house for 70 cents on the dollar, you shouldn't sell your stocks for 70 cents on the dollar either. It behooves people to keep tabs on an objective worth of what they own, fluctuations or not.
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Old 12-24-2013, 07:15 AM
 
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How high do we go before another round of nervousness in Feb/March over the debt ceiling?
The next 10%+ correction will be a doozy. Over 180 S&P points even from this level.
It may come after the 4th quarter earnings period. This very rare 12+ month rise with no 10% correction is setting the market up for a normal but deep correction.
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Old 12-24-2013, 07:40 AM
 
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The next 10%+ correction will be a doozy. Over 180 S&P points even from this level.
It may come after the 4th quarter earnings period. This very rare 12+ month rise with no 10% correction is setting the market up for a normal but deep correction.
Yes, I think we will definitely have a 10% or more correction next year, especially now that tapering has begun. S&P might hit 2000 before the correction starts though.
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Old 12-24-2013, 07:59 AM
 
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th fact is the fed is still back stopping things. equities should be a win /win. tht isn't to say we won't have some bumps in the road.

if the economy picks up stocks will do just fine on their own.

if the economy and stocks falter to much the fed will intervene again.
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Old 12-24-2013, 08:49 AM
 
Location: State College, PA; Thousand Oaks, CA
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"Far more money has been lost by investors preparing for corrections, or trying to anticipate corrections, than has been lost in corrections themselves." -- Peter Lynch


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-smartest-things-ever-said-about-market-timing/
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Warwick, RI
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"Far more money has been lost by investors preparing for corrections, or trying to anticipate corrections, than has been lost in corrections themselves." -- Peter Lynch


The Smartest Things Ever Said About Market Timing - CBS News

What he said.
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Old 12-24-2013, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Wouldn't you like to know?
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The next 10%+ correction will be a doozy. Over 180 S&P points even from this level.
It may come after the 4th quarter earnings period. This very rare 12+ month rise with no 10% correction is setting the market up for a normal but deep correction.
howard, you will be right........

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eventually............


The problem i have and other investors is that when you traders make predictions (like yours about a 10% correction coming), or icicles w/his collapse of the dollar and how commodities will take off...or those who predict armeggedon about bond prices when we have a rise in interest rates...

Those things could happen.....

The problem is you have no idea when they will happen...could be tomorrow....could be 40 years from now. And you have no idea how/if the reactions will be severe or not in the market....

Now your latest prediction is for a 10% collapse in the 1st Quarter of 2014, correct? Is that your latest prediction?? How about your predictions earlier in the year?



The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.

Diversify and stay the course...predictions are noise....
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Old 12-24-2013, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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Thus it is a dear mistake to look at your account every day and think, "Well if I sold it all right now I'd have $X," or "I lost $10,000 today." It's the wrong mentality. The quote cannot always be trusted to reflect the asset's real value.
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This contradicts what the other poster posted above. In reality value isn't there until you cash in - and in todays market, could be highly inflated.

On paper versus in-hand are two completely different things.....
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Old 12-24-2013, 07:46 PM
 
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value is always there.. it may vary slightly day by day but no different than a job that pays commission.
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