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You say insnads as though they are real. These are 300 years after the fact, with no written history, they cannot be verified. at all, and those tested were proven phony.
And Muslim is even after Bukhari.
Yes Muslim was a student of Bukhari. Many probably most of the Ahadith in his compilation are directly from Bukhari. However he did verify the Isnad on some independently.
Even the Jews agree there are Ahadith that predate Bukhari.
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The first to hand down the hadith were the companions (ṣaḥāba) of Muhammad, who followed the course of Muhammad's life and heeded his words. After his death, masses of believers went to the companions in order to hear the sunna of the Prophet. The men of the second generation continued to propagate the tradition which they had received from the ṣaḥāba, handing it down to their followers. Thus, a chain of traditionalists was formed, the isnād ("support"), which preceded the texts (matn) themselves or the main part (of the teaching). At first, the hadith was handed down orally. A few of the traditionalists, however, wrote down the traditions for their personal use; these lists (ṣaḥīfa, "sheet") aided subsequent traditionalists, as well as the editors of the hadith. The editing of collections of the hadith began at the end of the *Umayyad period; the editors adopted two different methods: musnad, the classification of traditions according to the names of the traditionalists and muṣannaf, their classification according to subject, and editing according to the content. The oldest extant documents are a fragment on papyrus of the ṣaḥīfa by Ibn Lahī'a (d. 790), found in Egypt and containing traditions which are mainly of an eschatological nature; the collection by Mālik ibn Anas (d. 795), al-Muwaṭṭa: a section of the collection of ʿAbdallah ibn Wahb (d. 812), also written on papyrus, which contains the sayings of the Prophet, the first caliphs, and the men of the second generation, mainly on ways of behavior and virtues; and the musnad of Aḥmad ibn Ḥanbal, which contains about 30,000 hadiths.
Many people agreed, however none can be proven, and the reality that none can be found, kind of trumps all guesses.
People for centuries took Islam at face value, few understood the religion, or really cared to, it was not until the investigation by Cambridge in the 70s and 80s where cold hard facts were checked into.
Also keep in mind, two of the most important books were not even translated into English until the 50s and 60.
What you wrote, is the accepted, promoted, story, except not one of these supposed 30.000 hadieths exists in it's original form, all are from over 100 years later.
And BTW, Islam likes to name drop with Malik, but denies most of what he wrote.
He was the first to suggest organizing the Qur'an, not Ulthman, as is claimed.
He was also probably a converted Christian.
He struck coins during his rule with the cross on them.
He also built the Dome, from a Christian church, with Christian writings on it.
He also conquered Mecca, something Muhammed supposedly did 60 years earlier.
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The first to hand down the hadith were the companions (ṣaḥāba) of Muhammad, who followed the course of Muhammad's life and heeded his words. After his death, masses of believers went to the companions in order to hear the sunna of the Prophet. The men of the second generation continued to propagate the tradition which they had received from the ṣaḥāba, handing it down to their followers. Thus, a chain of traditionalists was formed, the isnād ("support"), which preceded the texts (matn) themselves or the main part (of the teaching). At first, the hadith was handed down orally. A few of the traditionalists, however, wrote down the traditions for their personal use; these lists (ṣaḥīfa, "sheet") aided subsequent traditionalists, as well as the editors of the hadith. The editing of collections of the hadith began at the end of the *Umayyad period; the editors adopted two different methods: musnad, the classification of traditions according to the names of the traditionalists and muṣannaf, their classification according to subject, and editing according to the content. The oldest extant documents are a fragment on papyrus of the ṣaḥīfa by Ibn Lahī'a (d. 790), found in Egypt and containing traditions which are mainly of an eschatological nature; the collection by Mālik ibn Anas (d. 795), al-Muwaṭṭa: a section of the collection of ʿAbdallah ibn Wahb (d. 812), also written on papyrus, which contains the sayings of the Prophet, the first caliphs, and the men of the second generation, mainly on ways of behavior and virtues; and the musnad of Aḥmad ibn Ḥanbal, which contains about 30,000 hadiths.
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