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Old 05-13-2014, 07:54 AM
 
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Not if you're doing it right. Besides actually doing applications / cover letters, you should be doing informational interviews and attending networking events / conventions and other places where you can meet and talk to people.
In all cases I got a job, I sent out a few resumes, went on interviews, and got an offer or two. During a three month unemployment stint after a hospital I was working at closed, I probably spent an average of three hours per week with job search activities.

I guess it is different in my field. Informational interviews are not done and there are no networking events for job findings. I have gotten jobs from word of mouth though.
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Old 05-13-2014, 08:00 AM
 
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So go out and volunteer. It goes on your resume just like a job. You word it cleverly and cover up your gaps.

Do some special projects on your own, related to your field, and that also goes on your resume. Just because you aren't paid for it doesn't mean you didn't have the experience of doing it. You just call it consulting.

The point is, nobody wants to hire someone just sitting at home doing nothing but look for jobs. They want to see that you had some initiative to do something to further your experience or do something for your community while you are out of work.
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Old 05-13-2014, 08:30 AM
 
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So go out and volunteer. It goes on your resume just like a job. You word it cleverly and cover up your gaps.

Do some special projects on your own, related to your field, and that also goes on your resume. Just because you aren't paid for it doesn't mean you didn't have the experience of doing it. You just call it consulting.

The point is, nobody wants to hire someone just sitting at home doing nothing but look for jobs. They want to see that you had some initiative to do something to further your experience or do something for your community while you are out of work.
The point is that we shouldn't have to basically make stuff up or work for free (aka. volunteering) just to get around applicant filters set to screen out the unemployed (which should be illegal) or to sooth the egos of people who are obsessed with herd approval vs. actual job skills. I'm damn tired of living in a culture where countless people make gross assumptions and groundless accusations against those who are not as well off as they are - and then turn around and hose those people because "they deserve it."
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Old 05-13-2014, 08:38 AM
 
Location: MN
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The point is that we shouldn't have to
Listen, I get your points and I agree with most of them, but the reality is there are a LOT of things "we shouldn't have to (insert action)." But we do, or else nothing happens. That's just the way it is.
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Old 05-13-2014, 08:42 AM
 
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Listen, I get your points and I agree with most of them, but the reality is there are a LOT of things "we shouldn't have to (insert action)." But we do, or else nothing happens. That's just the way it is.
Agreed - though the question was WHY do employers pull this nonsense, and the answer is "no good reason at all." You're right about people having to do various crud to try to get around it, but at some point the people need to push back against this, lest we reach the point where nobody is "employable."
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Old 05-13-2014, 08:44 AM
 
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Agreed - though the question was WHY do employers pull this nonsense, and the answer is "no good reason at all." You're right about people having to do various crud to try to get around it, but at some point the people need to push back against this, lest we reach the point where nobody is "employable."

^^^ This

We already have CEO's complaining about "lack of talent"
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Old 05-13-2014, 09:22 AM
 
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Or, it could be reality...

Try checking a few posts up for the huge pile of links that point out the FACTS and how those who are out of work are being flat-out barred from employment in some companies or at least marginalized in many more.

Also, care to explain how a positive attitude is supposed to get one's job application past an automated resume filter that is set to weed out anyone who's out of work?
Folks act like having a smile and a Coke will take care of everything. It may work for Coca Cola who's had success marketing the hell out of their sugar water by associating it with happy thoughts and memories, but attitude is only part of what gets you work.
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Old 05-13-2014, 09:22 AM
 
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Don't u LUV the catch 22's in life?
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Old 05-13-2014, 09:23 AM
 
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WHY do employers pull this nonsense, and the answer is "no good reason at all."
And as an employer, I wouldn't hire you, because you are sitting there giving excuse after excuse and saying you shouldn't have to do something. Well guess what? I'm pretty sure that same attitude will come with you to my place of work and then you'll be making excuses when work doesn't get done, and saying you shouldn't have to do something at work, too.

We try to give advice but those of you who don't want to hear it will just stay unemployed and keep blaming the government or the crappy employers or whoever else, just so long as the blame isn't placed on you.

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Old 05-13-2014, 09:48 AM
 
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And as an employer, I wouldn't hire you, because you are sitting there giving excuse after excuse and saying you shouldn't have to do something. Well guess what? I'm pretty sure that same attitude will come with you to my place of work and then you'll be making excuses when work doesn't get done, and saying you shouldn't have to do something at work, too.

We try to give advice but those of you who don't want to hear it will just stay unemployed and keep blaming the government or the crappy employers or whoever else, just so long as the blame isn't placed on you.

Pfft!

If you honestly think that a person's personal feelings on various socio-economic matters will taint their work, then I wouldn't want to work for you. I can't imagine how you'd be able to handle people of differing political, religious, or social viewpoints - sounds like you'd spend most of your time casting judgement on them based upon stereotypes and groundless assumptions.

For the record, my work history is spotless, aside from being caught in layoffs. I have a mechanical engineering degree (graduated 3rd in my class), 10+ years of solid industry experience, a mountain of performance awards (monetary, not just cute little pieces of paper) and invention disclosures to my name. Unfortunately, my experience is in a narrow line of DoD work that used to be in demand, hence the brutal situation when trying to find new work, but that cannot be blamed on me - my field was in demand at the time, and I don't personally drive industry demand in this nation, nor can I magic up 3+ years of experience in other industries.

But, sure - it's clearly "my fault" that employers refuse to hire people out of work, and somehow a "positive attitude" will get the unemployed past the resume filters. Yeah - get back to me on when "Do I have a positive attitude" is added to the employment checkboxes for job applications... yeesh...
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