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Surprise info (opinion, of course) from a BT. You are not missing anything. If anything, the smoked turkey products are better. HaShem has not shortchanged His chosen people.
I imagine that it would be tougher for a formerly non-religious Jew to give up treyf after having eaten it than for religious Jews to continue to pass it by. We don't know what we're missing. All I know is that people seem to like disgusting things like lobster and crabs. Yuck.
Not sure they are. They’re just refusing to do lifnei iver (Putting a stumbling block in front of a blind person). Torah Observance is required of all Jews, no matter the current level they are at. It’s just the consequences for a tinok shenisbra (Someone who doesn’t observe because they simply don’t know any better) are likely suspended, or at least graded on a sliding scale.
The way I look at this, is the government is refraining from enabling the consumption of a forbidden product. That’s not the same as forbidding the people from eating that product.
Sorry, strike that. I thought you said Jews shouldn’t be compelling other Jews (but you said non Jews).
As for non Jews in Israel, I think their fate simply goes after the majority. So if the government has to compel Jews not to eat it, then the non-Jews simply have to go along with that.
Sorry, strike that. I thought you said Jews shouldn’t be compelling other Jews (but you said non Jews).
As for non Jews in Israel, I think their fate simply goes after the majority. So if the government has to compel Jews not to eat it, then the non-Jews simply have to go along with that.
I don't believe that the non-Jews' "fate simply goes after the majority" any more than I think that the fate of the Jewish people should "go after the majority."
Religious compulsion is never a good thing, regardless of whoever is doing it.
I don't believe that the non-Jews' "fate simply goes after the majority" any more than I think that the fate of the Jewish people should "go after the majority."
Religious compulsion is never a good thing, regardless of whoever is doing it.
But the fate of the Jews DOES go after the majority in other countries. Countries ban ritual slaughter. Countries give off on Sunday (and even force stores to close then). Countries turn religious holidays into national holidays. If that is the way of the world, are we holding up Israel to a standard which we don't expect of anyone else?
I don't believe that the non-Jews' "fate simply goes after the majority" any more than I think that the fate of the Jewish people should "go after the majority."
Religious compulsion is never a good thing, regardless of whoever is doing it.
You do know it’s a Jewish state? The non Jews live there at the pleasure of the Jewish state (and enjoy freedoms unimaginably great compared to the people living in neighboring nation states).
But the fate of the Jews DOES go after the majority in other countries. Countries ban ritual slaughter. Countries give off on Sunday (and even force stores to close then). Countries turn religious holidays into national holidays. If that is the way of the world, are we holding up Israel to a standard which we don't expect of anyone else?
Are the Jewish people supposed to take our cues from the rest of the world, then?
You do know it’s a Jewish state? The non Jews live there at the pleasure of the Jewish state (and enjoy freedoms unimaginably great compared to the people living in neighboring nation states).
Yes, it's true that the non-Jews living in Israel enjoy freedoms unimaginably great compared to the people living in neighboring states. G-d willing, may it remain so.
Are the Jewish people supposed to take our cues from the rest of the world, then?
The way a secular state is run should be the way that state is run, not because of following, but because of logic. It isn't a question of taking cues, but of putting the needs, values and ethics of ruling group ahead of others (not to their exclusion). Unless we expect Israel to rise to a standard that no other state is measured against, we should be able to accept that it operates in a way which is in line (in certain respects) with the theological underpinnings which created it, just like any other country.
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