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Old 10-19-2009, 11:34 AM
 
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I am actually glad immigration make it more difficult for GC to be granted to people from some nations as the situation of nations tells the habits and attitude of the people. I have many years of experience with Indian immigrants in particular, and found many of them to be a 'nuisance' immigrant although not all fit that description. I did not find Indians very willing to adapt to American culture. In fact they were deeply racist to nationals, and many won't even integrate because they look down at Americans. I came across on a daily basis Indians who incessantly disrespect this country and want to create a Little India here, who sought every avenue to take advantage of any benefits or handouts; who had overwhelming involvement in crimes and fraud - in other words, not the immigrant group that is a positive addition to a country.

Take low income housing. One after the other the self employed Indians would apply for low income housing to exploit this feature in society. Self employed Indians prefer to take cash payments to hide real income. They would then misuse this and apply for low income housing although they would not qualify if their real income was known. I found them more often than not, breaking labor laws (or any laws) and certainly not following any rules of equal opportunity employer. Once Indians have a position of corporate management, in most cases he will try to hire other Indians. I've seen entire American companies go under once they started giving Indian immigrants a share in management.
To scam their way to work permits or GCs the most common one is to take a short IT related course in India and apply for IT work here that requires minimum 5 year qualification in the field. They would arrange false papers that would claim they had this 5 year qualification even if they only had 6 months of qualifications. The biggest problem we had with Indian workers was forged and fake documents. Who wants this kind of immigrant, who lives on a lie from morning to evening?
Some would openly brag how they had their wife enter the U.S. 8 month pregnant in effort to give birth in the U.S. so the kid would get automatic citizenship. Scams from morning to evening.

I also find them to be a crime costly immigrant group, often involved in sexual crimes. In India over 80% of children are sexually assaulted and over 70% of women. Is this the kind of immigrant that should have easy access to this country?
In the UK and Australia Indians enter by applying to colleges. Once they have been given entrance, they never leave. They have a hundred tricks and scams for everything and feel nothing wrong with it.

You may be upset about this, but I would say out 7 of 10 immigrants from India fit this bill when I dealt with them. It created a poor impression of them and they are responsible for the impression they create themselves by their own actions.
It isn't just Indians that don't often assimilate. I have seen immigrants from places like Korea who don't always assimilate.
As for sexual assault rates, what about the people who are citizens of the UK, who aren't Indian, who do committ sexual assault? You can't deport them.
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Old 10-19-2009, 12:03 PM
 
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Well, the Brits can't exactly complain about Indians. India did not exactly invite the Brits to come and take over centuries ago

Also, the rates of sexual assaults (80% for children, 70% for women) seem rather high. Do you have any reliable sources for that claim?
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Old 10-19-2009, 12:16 PM
 
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I guess it is not that easy for immigrants to adapt to the American way because unlike say a century ago today hardly anyone believes anymore that the American way of life is good, let alone sustainable. Thus the reasons for immigrants coming to the US are probably different from those of earlier waves of immigrants. The States' credibility has also suffered considerably, so there is not much left to be proud of.
And I don't think there is the necessity to become a typical American. When Europeans first went to America they did not become American Indians, in terms of way of life. So why would immigrants today become typical Americans? I guess many just go there because it is the lesser evil compared to their overcrowded, disaster-infected and otherwise troubled homelands.
It is like with Turks moving to Germany. They don't do so because they like Germany, Germans or German culture, but because there are already lots of Turks there, so they feel at home in certain communities. They want to continue their typically Turkish lives, but in Germany because it offers economic advantages.
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Old 10-19-2009, 02:12 PM
 
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I guess it is not that easy for immigrants to adapt to the American way because unlike say a century ago today hardly anyone believes anymore that the American way of life is good, let alone sustainable. Thus the reasons for immigrants coming to the US are probably different from those of earlier waves of immigrants. The States' credibility has also suffered considerably, so there is not much left to be proud of.
And I don't think there is the necessity to become a typical American. When Europeans first went to America they did not become American Indians, in terms of way of life. So why would immigrants today become typical Americans? I guess many just go there because it is the lesser evil compared to their overcrowded, disaster-infected and otherwise troubled homelands.
It is like with Turks moving to Germany. They don't do so because they like Germany, Germans or German culture, but because there are already lots of Turks there, so they feel at home in certain communities. They want to continue their typically Turkish lives, but in Germany because it offers economic advantages.
This speaks volumes. Many people never think of the fact that when people from the British Isles came to the USA, they rarely adopted Native American ways. At first some did(in the case of the Mayflower settlers) and befriended some Native Americans, at first. Many more came and took land from the Native Americans, established their own communities, such as Jamestown,Virginia. They weren't exactly "invited" to move to the places now known as the USA. They didn't ask permission, they just did it. Many also brought indentured European servants and African slaves with them. I personally believe some things are more just a pathology about control. In fact most of the immigrants brought their own foods and customs to the USA.
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Old 10-19-2009, 08:34 PM
 
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It isn't just Indians that don't often assimilate. I have seen immigrants from places like Korea who don't always assimilate.
As for sexual assault rates, what about the people who are citizens of the UK, who aren't Indian, who do committ sexual assault? You can't deport them.

Over 80% of kids sexually assaulted in their own country... That's an outrageous number. Just not normal or acceptable. There exist no figures this high in any western nation even if ALL total sexual assaults are added together between US and Europe. And don't forget that our data is far better than India's, so if they have discovered enormous rate of abuse in studies, the figures will be much higher in reality. In other words; sexual assault is an accepted behavior in India society.


From a study made in India:

83.12% of children in Delhi are sex abused. The study also notes that child sexual abuse in India begins as early as five. Some 21 percent of respondents acknowledged experiencing severe sexual abuse like rape, sodomy, fondling or exposure to pornographic material. Ironically, 71 per cent of sexual assault cases in India go unreported.

The scale of abuse, according to the national study, is far worse than anybody had thought. It reports that 69 per cent of all Indian children are victims of physical, mental or emotional abuse.
So in India over 276 million children are victims of sexual abuse. Sexual assault or abuse against adult women are not included in those figures.

Want to compare data?
In 2007, there were 248,300 total victims of sexual assault in the United States on the total population of 307 million. In India 400 million of the population are children - yet 276 million of them are sexually assaulted each year. Women who have been subject to sexual assault are not even included in those numbers.

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Old 10-19-2009, 08:49 PM
 
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Well, the Brits can't exactly complain about Indians. India did not exactly invite the Brits to come and take over centuries ago

That's not true at all. India indeed invited the Brits. Britain never invaded India... Britain was trading with India for about 200 years without ruling the country, and at the time had very amicable trade relations with India. When the mugal rule was weakening Maharaj Krishna Nath negotiated with the British, asking logistic support to overthrow the Nawab in return for trade grants. For this they were granted huge areas of land in India and greater trade rights. Seeing how easily they could conquer a small kingdom, this planted ideas in their head and was the first step to establish colonial rule.


Sexual abuse study:
Asia Sentinel - Hidden Darkness: Child Sexual Abuse in India
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Old 10-19-2009, 11:40 PM
 
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i find the american mentality quite peculiar. growing up all i heard is negative things said about oriental asian countries or cultures. i heard things like dirty communist and how all the countries were third world cesspools etc and that impression was spread to general americana. but other countries or cultures were ignored or not stigmatized. i've even seen different ethnicities banded with whites make fun of asian culture or countries and these are people who are white, black, middle-eastern, even americanized indians and from south america when the truth is there are lots of countries that have way more problems or backwards even culturally than oriental ones. i think the only reason has to be the fact they all share one predominant characteristic, "round eyes", facial features, skull, body etc and see themselves genetically similar so scapegoat orientals in particular.

humans are so dumb and unfair in their judgement and how they pick and choose to skew and label.
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Old 10-20-2009, 02:42 AM
 
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It isn't just Indians that don't often assimilate. I have seen immigrants from places like Korea who don't always assimilate.
As for sexual assault rates, what about the people who are citizens of the UK, who aren't Indian, who do committ sexual assault? You can't deport them.

LMAO! of all the ethnicities you pick an oriental ethnicity, though of course there are some koreans who aren't assimilated much, usually those of old age, i find your post so predictable (scapegoat an oriental ethnicity) but not even close to being fair overall. koreans aren't holding protests with thier flags and i sure as hell don't hear "press 1 for english and press 2 for korean" when i make calls etc.

the american perspective is limited in regards to these issues of assimilation or immigration. korea has signs everywhere in english and it's usual that most people speak some english or even fluently, some who have never even been to america. i remember raising my voice at a cabbie in korea when he couldn't understand me until i caught myself. many countries and peoples learn english not americans the other way around. it's a global world but it's most americans who think one-sided and get upset at "some" so-called immigrants (though in all honesty this is very rare as they are usually bilingual) who don't try to learn english etc and they lump everyone together which is assinine and condescending. it's all pretty idiotic when taken from a broader perspective.

and what is important in assimilation? working and paying taxes? not commiting crimes? obeying the law? or just american style and mannerisms so you appear american? lol.

maybe that is why america can't differentiate anymore between a hole in the ground and their rearend.
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Old 10-20-2009, 04:59 AM
 
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That's not true at all. India indeed invited the Brits. Britain never invaded India... Britain was trading with India for about 200 years without ruling the country, and at the time had very amicable trade relations with India. When the mugal rule was weakening Maharaj Krishna Nath negotiated with the British, asking logistic support to overthrow the Nawab in return for trade grants. For this they were granted huge areas of land in India and greater trade rights. Seeing how easily they could conquer a small kingdom, this planted ideas in their head and was the first step to establish colonial rule.
OK, then take African countries...
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Old 10-20-2009, 06:47 AM
 
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Over 80% of kids sexually assaulted in their own country... That's an outrageous number. Just not normal or acceptable. There exist no figures this high in any western nation even if ALL total sexual assaults are added together between US and Europe. And don't forget that our data is far better than India's, so if they have discovered enormous rate of abuse in studies, the figures will be much higher in reality. In other words; sexual assault is an accepted behavior in India society.


From a study made in India:

83.12% of children in Delhi are sex abused. The study also notes that child sexual abuse in India begins as early as five. Some 21 percent of respondents acknowledged experiencing severe sexual abuse like rape, sodomy, fondling or exposure to pornographic material. Ironically, 71 per cent of sexual assault cases in India go unreported.

The scale of abuse, according to the national study, is far worse than anybody had thought. It reports that 69 per cent of all Indian children are victims of physical, mental or emotional abuse.
So in India over 276 million children are victims of sexual abuse. Sexual assault or abuse against adult women are not included in those figures.

Want to compare data?
In 2007, there were 248,300 total victims of sexual assault in the United States on the total population of 307 million. In India 400 million of the population are children - yet 276 million of them are sexually assaulted each year. Women who have been subject to sexual assault are not even included in those numbers.
Since you put it that way, wouldn't it be safer for them to live in the UK than in India if things are that bad? Last time II checked, UK prosecutes things like that big time.
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