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The rationale driving why homosexual activity has been considered a perversion is that homosexual activity is sterile. Man is considered a divine creation in a well ordered universe. Within this well ordered universe the sexual desire was ordered to bring together a man and women in love for procreation to form a well formed family. Just like your eyes were designed to see and your ears designed to hear sexual passion was designed to be the adhesive that formed the basic cell of society. Procreation is absolutely vital to transmit the culture from generation and of course is the only way to beget the next generation. In a rightly ordered universe conjugal sex between a man and a women is the only valid sex act as it is the rightly ordered use of the passion and society flourishes from the family of man and women joined in the sacrament of marriage. Take a close look at the fruit of the communities where there are a majority of children born in wedlock - these areas without the marriage of man and women are ridden with crime, drugs and violence. This is why it is vital to protect the marriage of man and women. Marginalize the marriage of man and women and society crumbles like styrofoam used as construction support; this is the irrevocable moral law in action.
Sex with animals, sex with trees, sex with a hole in the wall, sex with the same gender, sex with your hand all produce the same result -death- and are considered a disordered sinful action. A disordered action takes the divine purpose of the passion and diverts it into sterile self centered pleasure. This is the classical view that defines homosexuality as a perversion. Homosexuality has been defined as a perversion for the last 2,000 years, not just for the sake of discrimination but is part of the accumulated knowledge of thousands of years of human existence and the rise and fall of hundreds of societies- many of which fell after a decadent period. Only for the last few decades has ruling class morality equated homosexual activity with heterosexual activity surely a sign of a decadent society possibly signaling a fall from grace.
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Someone being gay is a perversion?? When did we leave 2011 and go back in time 50 years??
The comparisons you are trying to make are insane, you don't exactly need to be a liberal to think those comparisons aren't even remotely in the same ball park Whats next, are you going to take a page out of Rick Santorum and Carl Paladino and start making comparisons to relations with animals??
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The rationale driving why homosexual activity has been considered a perversion is that homosexual activity is sterile. Man is considered a divine creation in a well ordered universe. Within this well ordered universe the sexual desire was ordered to bring together a man and women in love for procreation to form a well formed family. Just like your eyes were designed to see and your ears designed to hear sexual passion was designed to be the adhesive that formed the basic cell of society. Procreation is absolutely vital to transmit the culture from generation and of course is the only way to beget the next generation. In a rightly ordered universe conjugal sex between a man and a women is the only valid sex act as it is the rightly ordered use of the passion and society flourishes from the family of man and women joined in the sacrament of marriage. Take a close look at the fruit of the communities where there are a majority of children born in wedlock - these areas without the marriage of man and women are ridden with crime, drugs and violence. This is why it is vital to protect the marriage of man and women. Marginalize the marriage of man and women and society crumbles like styrofoam used as construction support; this is the irrevocable moral law in action.
Sex with animals, sex with trees, sex with a hole in the wall, sex with the same gender, sex with your hand all produce the same result -death- and are considered a disordered sinful action. A disordered action takes the divine purpose of the passion and diverts it into sterile self centered pleasure. This is the classical view that defines homosexuality as a perversion. Homosexuality has been defined as a perversion for the last 2,000 years, not just for the sake of discrimination but is part of the accumulated knowledge of thousands of years of human existence and the rise and fall of hundreds of societies- many of which fell after a decadent period. Only for the last few decades has ruling class morality equated homosexual activity with heterosexual activity surely a sign of a decadent society possibly signaling a fall from grace.
You're taking a single (narrow and dogmatic) viewpoint and elevating to the status of a universal truth. Society has not crumbled as western sexuality norms have see-sawed between restrictive and libertine. Civilization does not depend on your indoctrinated Christian beliefs. Further, your grasp of history and human is woefully limited. The Roman Empire was established on paganism with far more liberal sexuality views. The result was what many term a golden age for progress and civilization. The Christian era had begot 1,000 years of dogmatism, warfare, crusades, and repression of science. That was Occidental. The far larger and more diverse civilizations of the Orient tolerated polygamy (not my cup of tea, truth be told) and homosexuality.
Societies do not fall from grace. Circumstance, the waxing power of rivals, poor economies, a fragmenting culture, and inept leaders all work together to bring down a state or civilization.
Okay we're obviously not going to convince anyone of another view. Gays are apparently the devil for some of you, so let's just move on.
But can someone answer this question: If same gender sexual relations is so bad, why were so many religious figures caught with underage children? Or, are they going to be "forgiven" because they are of the cloth? Or is it a "one time thing" that happened, which I can guarantee is false?
Yes the moral law is universal truth. You can see the disintergration of the west plainly in places like Bushwick or any backwater town ravaged by meth. The only places that continue to thrive -especially around NY- are those communities that keep the moral law. See the South Bronx as an example of a place that has been destroyed by sin.
true Christianity is the scion of Hebrew morality, Roman law and Greek philosophy. Paganism died 1600 years ago in an orgy of decadent horror. Yet some want to restore the relic of paganism from the dustbin of history- and they have the balls to call this failed relic progress.
What could be more dogmatic than ignoring thousands of years of classic thought to repeat the same lines about fairness drilled into everyone's head by the schools, the tv and the corporate establishment. Even a private organization like the Church is strong armed into ruling class pagan dogma. Dogma that was proved false 1600 years ago.
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You're taking a single (narrow and dogmatic) viewpoint and elevating to the status of a universal truth. Society has not crumbled as western sexuality norms have see-sawed between restrictive and libertine. Civilization does not depend on your indoctrinated Christian beliefs. Further, your grasp of history and human is woefully limited. The Roman Empire was established on paganism with far more liberal sexuality views. The result was what many term a golden age for progress and civilization. The Christian era had begot 1,000 years of dogmatism, warfare, crusades, and repression of science. That was Occidental. The far larger and more diverse civilizations of the Orient tolerated polygamy (not my cup of tea, truth be told) and homosexuality.
Societies do not fall from grace. Circumstance, the waxing power of rivals, poor economies, a fragmenting culture, and inept leaders all work together to bring down a state or civilization.
Green hair isn't allowed at St. A's either...it's a good thing that The Joker isn't enrolled. His purple suit is in violation of their dress code as well. Let's storm St. A's and demand justice for The Joker.
Beastiality is also banned at Saint A's that dogmatic bastion of intolerance.
I know I know beastiality is not part of the ruling class agenda. With ruling class moral relativism todays pervert is tomorrows discrimination victim.
anyone that wants to romance their finely-bred -prized -sheep at the prom for a prelude to some six legged passion will have to enroll at their child at their local -tolerant and non-discriminating- public school.
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Green hair isn't allowed at St. A's either...it's a good thing that The J oker i sn' t enrolled. His purple suit is in violation of their dress code as well. Let's storm St. A's and demand justice for The Joker.
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Beastiality is also banned at Saint A's that dogmatic bastion of intolerance.
anyone that wants to romance their finely-bred -prized -sheep to the prom for a prelude to some six legged passion will have to enroll at their child at their local -tolerant and non-discriminating- public school.
So.... what good has religion done to better our society recently? All I'm seeing is hate and misunderstanding, rather than the "accepting and forgiving" I always hear about.
Yes the moral law is universal truth. You can see the disintergration of the west plainly in places like Bushwick or any backwater town ravaged by meth. The only places that continue to thrive -especially around NY- are those communities that keep the moral law. See the South Bronx as an example of a place that has been destroyed by sin.
true Christianity is the scion of Hebrew morality, Roman law and Greek philosophy. Paganism died 1600 years ago in an orgy of decadent horror. Yet some want to restore the relic of paganism from the dustbin of history- and they have the balls to call this failed relic progress.
What could be more dogmatic than ignoring thousands of years of classic thought to repeat the same lines about fairness drilled into everyone's head by the schools, the tv and the corporate establishment. Even a private organization like the Church is strong armed into ruling class pagan dogma. Dogma that was proved false 1600 years ago.
Moral law has little to no bearing on success. The Italian renaissance was born in an era of papal scandal, affairs, intrigue, murder, and war. High finance is chugging along fine, yet I'd hardly call it an industry which serves the greater good.
"True Christianity" was preached by an uneducated man bearing a message of the peace and love of God, who spent his time in the company of Roman occupiers, the disabled, tax farmers (the Israelite version of a "greedy bankster") and at least one prostitute. He condemned the legalistic and pointillistic practice of Judaism. For this, he was crucified. Theoretically, he would have been ignorant of Greek philosophy. As for Roman and Greek influence on the institutional church, save for certain legal norms. The 300 year gap gave Christians a time to create their own legal foundation independent of the Roman ruling class. Likewise, philosophy was disregarded and parchment bleached to be used for religious writings. Philosophy was seen as a "pagan relic." Come to think of it, the rights of women also suffered a severe reversal at the same time. Pre-Christian Roman wives had a say in their marriage, could own property, and initiate and prosecute divorce as easily as a husband. That changed with Constantine/Theodosius and stood for some 1500 years until women's rights movements manifested in the 19th century.
To get back on topic regarding "she knew the rules." I beg to differ.
The school handbooks used by the local schools are seldom promulgated prior to signing to dotted line. Additionally, they are not all-inclusive of every rule, by-law, and penalty. Finally, one must consider a certain practicality: this girl probably was not fully aware of and confident in her sexuality during 8th grade when she was applying.
Edit: The conflating of homosexuality with bestiality, polygamy, and other "perversions" is ignorant, repressive, and hurtful. How do we as a community live adjacent to a metropolitan cultural capital of the world yet harbour views expected by mountain-dwelling inbreds. I'm glad that I got out.
Why don't you stop by the soup kitchen that my family helps out at where we feed hungry families displaced by layoffs. Or the shelter we donate to so that young women have a place to go to rear their baby.
learn about the concept of Catholic social justice that flows out of the Church. It is this reason that we have a middle class in the west while places not touched by the Church like China are riddled with sweatshops. The media doesn't discuss these things over the din of recycling abuse scandals from 30 years ago.
Finally, one must consider a certain practicality: this girl probably was not fully aware of and confident in her sexuality during 8th grade when she was applying.
What are you talking about? She had full understanding of her sexuality and her intent is to bring down this wonderful school with her devlish, evil ways.
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