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Old 05-27-2020, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Little Babylon
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So what the media calls asymptotic may just be presymtomatic.

 
Old 05-27-2020, 06:39 PM
 
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Page 4 of the following, and quoted below.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/def...9-COVID-19.pdf

Based on Chinese data, the international WHO mission report indicates that up to 75% of initially asymptomatic cases will progress to clinical disease, making the true asymptomatic infection rather rare (estimated at 1-3%) [16].
Are you sure you want to put full credence in numbers claimed by China (which has since been proven to have severely undercounted its number of patients and dead) in a report written way back in March?

Our understanding of the virus has increased exponentially since then.

Over 80 percent of people who tested positive on the cruise ship were asymptomatic. While that number is probably higher due to close contact for a long period of time, the CDC estimate of 35 percent peoplecwith covid being asymptomatic is about what most researchers are saying now.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/27/over...tudy-says.html
 
Old 05-27-2020, 07:12 PM
 
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Why the eagerness to expose yourself to something that has no vaccine? Are you that desperate to pay to eat out?

Bubble-living yada yada yada... but think about what you're saying...

You can enjoy life in other ways in the interim.



its over, corona virus mutated so much its lost its punch, now covid-19 is just a mild case of bronchitis.



I also would like to go to a bar and be social. or go to a sports game, or not have to stand 6 feet away from everyone at the supermarket and walk in without a mask. or get a haircut.



they always said there was no cure for the common cold, which is a corona virus, so what makes you think it will work with this corona virus? you could roll up your sleeve and take the vaccine, and be a beta tester with your life. a strong immune system, is still the best defense
 
Old 05-27-2020, 07:27 PM
 
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its over, corona virus mutated so much its lost its punch, now covid-19 is just a mild case of bronchitis.



I also would like to go to a bar and be social. or go to a sports game, or not have to stand 6 feet away from everyone at the supermarket and walk in without a mask. or get a haircut.



they always said there was no cure for the common cold, which is a corona virus, so what makes you think it will work with this corona virus? you could roll up your sleeve and take the vaccine, and be a beta tester with your life. a strong immune system, is still the best defense
Got any link to confirm that mutation to " a mild case of bronchitis"?
 
Old 05-27-2020, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Little Babylon
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Are you sure you want to put full credence in numbers claimed by China (which has since been proven to have severely undercounted its number of patients and dead) in a report written way back in March?

Our understanding of the virus has increased exponentially since then.

Over 80 percent of people who tested positive on the cruise ship were asymptomatic. While that number is probably higher due to close contact for a long period of time, the CDC estimate of 35 percent peoplecwith covid being asymptomatic is about what most researchers are saying now.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/27/over...tudy-says.html
Exponentially? I use logarithmic scale.
Sure you want to trust CNBC numbers? As dodgy as the CCP numbers and studies are they’re being used by politicians and media. My favorite is the hamster study.
Also a CDC estimate means, we don’t know. Like a lot of the studies (which are just that and not yet settled science).
I’m betting true asymptomatic carriers are rare and the 35% is lumping in presymtomatic carriers.
 
Old 05-27-2020, 07:37 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Why the eagerness to expose yourself to something that has no vaccine? Are you that desperate to pay to eat out?

Bubble-living yada yada yada... but think about what you're saying...

You can enjoy life in other ways in the interim.
Same story with regular influenza and viral pneumonia. Life has risks.
 
Old 05-27-2020, 07:39 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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So what the media calls asymptotic may just be presymtomatic.
Could be. Or symptoms so light that people don't notice.
 
Old 05-27-2020, 07:42 PM
 
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Exponentially? I use logarithmic scale.
Sure you want to trust CNBC numbers? As dodgy as the CCP numbers and studies are they’re being used by politicians and media. My favorite is the hamster study.
Also a CDC estimate means, we don’t know. Like a lot of the studies (which are just that and not yet settled science).
I’m betting true asymptomatic carriers are rare and the 35% is lumping in presymtomatic carriers.
CNBC just reported what was in the study published in Thorax. The link to it is in the article. CNBC did not do the study and it is not their numbers.
If you would like a different article that mentions the study here you go:

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/new...-than-thought/

https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/u...-than-thought/

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-27/...-than-thought/
 
Old 05-27-2020, 09:20 PM
 
Location: under the beautiful Carolina blue
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There's no vaccine for the common cold, either.
Common colds are corona viruses and there are many of them. So "the" common cold is a bit of a misnomer, but in general only cause mild discomfort as they run their course. You don't even generally run a fever when you have a cold. You can't vaccinate against the common cold because there are so many viruses that cause them.
 
Old 05-28-2020, 01:02 AM
 
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See post #684.


Recent data showed the economic slowdown in Sweden in the first three months of 2020 was less extreme than elsewhere in Europe — a contraction of 0.3 percent versus 3.8 percent in the eurozone — but economists are bracing for a big hit.
https://www.politico.eu/article/swed...9-light-touch/


How do most Swedes feel about it all? Has anybody asked them? Does anyone care?

I don't care how the Swedes feel about it - facts are facts and you haven't produced any. Both of the articles you linked contain preliminary estimates and predictions only. Your claim that Sweden has fared better was false when you made it and continues to be so.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuac.../#42619dc22dcd

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