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Yay another one who got their medical degree from the television. Hey, when was the last time you get tested for smallpox or polio? Bonus points if it came back positive, you polio super-spreader, you!
Polio and smallpox are not the only pathogens out there, no?
Polio and smallpox are not the only pathogens out there, no?
Name another pathogen that we routinely "vaccinate" against that you can still get, transmit, be hospitalized, and die from? Only one that comes to mind is the flu, and they don't even call that a "vaccine", it's a "flu shot". We've never ever been able to successfully vaccinate (and by that, I mean a true sterilizing vaccine of the type we give to children) against corona viruses.
Team Covid has a lot of back pedaling to do, what with your narrative collapsing in real time, but we'll help you through it, don't worry. Our side isn't as vindictive as yours.
Name another pathogen that we routinely "vaccinate" against that you can still get, transmit, be hospitalized, and die from? Only one that comes to mind is the flu, and they don't even call that a "vaccine", it's a "flu shot". We've never ever been able to successfully vaccinate (and by that, I mean a true sterilizing vaccine of the type we give to children) against corona viruses.
Team Covid has a lot of back pedaling to do, what with your narrative collapsing in real time, but we'll help you through it, don't worry. Our side isn't as vindictive as yours.
Flu shot is a coloquial term for the flu vaccination. The correct medical term is the influenza vaccination.
Other vaccines that need boosters are Tdap, MMR, Hep B series, shingles, rotovirus, shingles, and pneumonia. They all can transmit, be hospitalized, and die from although in lesser numbers than covid.
I am not sure why someone has to be on a "side" regarding the facts of the limitations of the different vaccines that are produced.
1. Well, the flu vaccine certainly allows infection and does little (obviously) to stop the spread. Ditto the Covid vaccine.
2. Beyond that, the Covid Vaccine wanes in a matter of months AND (separate and apart from #1 and the waning) is a poor match for Delta and Omicron. (We see that mismatch very frequently with the flu vaccine.)
3. The first surprise is the number of fools who blamed the unvaccinated for the spread of Covid (see #1 and #2).
4. The second surprise is the number of fools who thought the idea of a vax mandate and a vax passport was a good one (see #1 and #2)
5. The third surprise is the number of fools who thought the 'not at risk' were prime candidates for a Covid vax. (Perhaps on planet Upsidedown, not planet Earth)
Last edited by Quick Commenter; 01-14-2022 at 01:45 PM..
1. Well, the flu vaccine certainly allows infection and does little (obviously) to stop the spread. Ditto the Covid vaccine.
CDC
What do recent vaccine effectiveness studies show?
Recent studies show flu vaccine can reduce the risk of flu illness by between 40% and 60% among the overall population during seasons when most circulating flu viruses are well matched to the flu vaccine viruses.
Flu shot is a coloquial term for the flu vaccination. The correct medical term is the influenza vaccination.
Other vaccines that need boosters are Tdap, MMR, Hep B series, shingles, rotovirus, shingles, and pneumonia. They all can transmit, be hospitalized, and die from although in lesser numbers than covid.
I am not sure why someone has to be on a "side" regarding the facts of the limitations of the different vaccines that are produced.[/quote]
Man, you're all over the place here.
Yes, it's a colloquial term. I wonder why that's the only vaccine with such a term? Probably because it's at best 50% effective, depending on whether they manage to guess the dominant strains correctly before the season starst.
Tdap is tetanus. It requires a booster every every 10 years or so. It's often given as DTaP which includes diphtheria and pertussis. Tetanus is not transmittable, and when is the last time we had a big problem with diphtheria or pertussis ?
MMR has two doses, both given within the first two years of life, and then you're protected pretty much forever. The only outbreaks we see of these diseases are among limits numbers of people/religious groups that oppose all vaccines, or recent refugees/illegal immigrants.
The shingles vaccines is given as two doses, 2-6 months apart. The second "dose" isn't really a "booster" it's part of the normal administration. And it's very effective. Shingles is also not transmissible, vaxxed or not, except to someone who hasn't had chicken pox (or the chicken pox vaccine).
I don't know much about rotavirus, and never heard of anyone being vaccinated against it. It's mostly a disease of the developing world, as I understand it.
Pneumonia vaccine is only effective against bacterial pneumonia. Bacteria is far easier to deal with than viruses, and yet this vaccine isn't really used much outside of at-risk populations.
There are other vaccines that require courses. Rabies, malaria, yellow fever, etc. I had the yellow fever vax before traveling to South Africa some years ago, as well as those nasty pills for malaria. But these are rarely given in first world countries. HPV requires a course as well, Forest Hills, but protection extends up to 10 years by which time hopefully your daughter is no longer the town mattress.
This pandemic has taught me one thing - most people are utterly incapable of appreciating risks, or weight them vs. rewards. Comparing a "vaccine" like Pfizer's joke of a product, which has been rendered utterly ineffective against the dominant strain of the virus it's supposed to stop - INSIDE OF A YEAR - to commonly used sterilizing vaccines is just your Dunning-Kruger acting up again.
These are the same people that look at a 96+% survival rate in people over 85 years old to the 99.96% survival rate of most other groups and think it's just a few more people dying, when in fact the risk is approximately 10,000 times as high for the very old as it is the young and healthy.
The same people who drive their kids to school to avoid child molesters when those kids are far more at risk from an automobile accident.
They're mostly white women. And men with more Pfizer product in them than testosterone.
Originally Posted by Quick Commenter
1. Well, the flu vaccine certainly allows infection and does little (obviously) to stop the spread. Ditto the Covid vaccine.
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Originally Posted by mathjak107
CDC
What do recent vaccine effectiveness studies show?
Recent studies show flu vaccine can reduce the risk of flu illness by between 40% and 60% among the overall population during seasons when most circulating flu viruses are well matched to the flu vaccine viruses.
I'm not sure if you are disagreeing or affirming but if you read the language and the quoted percentage carefully you'll see an agreement with my excerpt. Nothing CDC writes suggests the flu vaccine does not allow infection. And the numbers 40% and 60% aren't doing anything of significance to stop a spread.
Of course, given the rapid waning one would expect the Covid vaccine to fare even worse.
And, of course, as new strains occur one would expect the Covid vaccine to fare even worse.
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[/quote]I am not sure why someone has to be on a "side" regarding the facts of the limitations of the different vaccines that are produced.[/quote]
Man, you're all over the place here.
Yes, it's a colloquial term. I wonder why that's the only vaccine with such a term? Probably because it's at best 50% effective, depending on whether they manage to guess the dominant strains correctly before the season starst.
Tdap is tetanus. It requires a booster every every 10 years or so. It's often given as DTaP which includes diphtheria and pertussis. Tetanus is not transmittable, and when is the last time we had a big problem with diphtheria or pertussis ?
MMR has two doses, both given within the first two years of life, and then you're protected pretty much forever. The only outbreaks we see of these diseases are among limits numbers of people/religious groups that oppose all vaccines, or recent refugees/illegal immigrants.
The shingles vaccines is given as two doses, 2-6 months apart. The second "dose" isn't really a "booster" it's part of the normal administration. And it's very effective. Shingles is also not transmissible, vaxxed or not, except to someone who hasn't had chicken pox (or the chicken pox vaccine).
I don't know much about rotavirus, and never heard of anyone being vaccinated against it. It's mostly a disease of the developing world, as I understand it.
Pneumonia vaccine is only effective against bacterial pneumonia. Bacteria is far easier to deal with than viruses, and yet this vaccine isn't really used much outside of at-risk populations.
There are other vaccines that require courses. Rabies, malaria, yellow fever, etc. I had the yellow fever vax before traveling to South Africa some years ago, as well as those nasty pills for malaria. But these are rarely given in first world countries. HPV requires a course as well, Forest Hills, but protection extends up to 10 years by which time hopefully your daughter is no longer the town mattress.
This pandemic has taught me one thing - most people are utterly incapable of appreciating risks, or weight them vs. rewards. Comparing a "vaccine" like Pfizer's joke of a product, which has been rendered utterly ineffective against the dominant strain of the virus it's supposed to stop - INSIDE OF A YEAR - to commonly used sterilizing vaccines is just your Dunning-Kruger acting up again.
These are the same people that look at a 96+% survival rate in people over 85 years old to the 99.96% survival rate of most other groups and think it's just a few more people dying, when in fact the risk is approximately 10,000 times as high for the very old as it is the young and healthy.
The same people who drive their kids to school to avoid child molesters when those kids are far more at risk from an automobile accident.
They're mostly white women. And men with more Pfizer product in them than testosterone.[/quote]
1. Well, the flu vaccine certainly allows infection and does little (obviously) to stop the spread. Ditto the Covid vaccine.
That's the whole rebuttal to the OP. The value of the vaccine is not about "stopping the spread".
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