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Why not allow the change to happen organically, such that kinks are worked out in the process?
And why not agree that some applications simply don't work, such as no flush urinals? Or faucets, whose flow restrictors limit water to the extent that the handwasher must spend three or four times longer at the sink to rinse their hands?
Some things are good, but not everything employed is good, nor is it helpful.
And add in the automatic faucets and urinals/toilets that have batteries in them... whats worse? the extra water used or the batteries....
Why not allow the change to happen organically, such that kinks are worked out in the process?
Rushed? Hardly.
Nobody did anything about climate change when we still had time to do it slowly and painless. Now it's too late to do it slowly.
There were tons of warnings about this. Scientists were saying that if we waited we would need to rush with solutions instead of doing it slowly. Nobody paid attention, so... Hence, the rush.
And add in the automatic faucets and urinals/toilets that have batteries in them... whats worse? the extra water used or the batteries....
And I bet this was discussed at length, but I suppose that the batteries won.
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Originally Posted by Mrpepelepeu
Rushed? Hardly.
Nobody did anything about climate change when we still had time to do it slowly and painless. Now it's too late to do it slowly.
There were tons of warnings about this. Scientists were saying that if we waited we would need to rush with solutions instead of doing it slowly. Nobody paid attention, so... Hence, the rush.
Do you not remember people like actor Ted Danson, and Al Gore, claiming we'd be in much worse shape, than we actually are?
We're at the point at which the rush is drastic, which is encouraging foolish decision making:
It's counterproductive to cut down trees and to stress the aquifer to get people into trains.
It's counterproductive to migrate people into using electric stoves, while the power supplying the stove is generated by the burning of fossil fuel.
Logically, the infrastructure needs to be improved first, before the end consumer makes a change in their behavior.
No one is saying that change isn't necessary, but when it's done in a rushed fashion, problems result.
No one is saying that change isn't necessary, but when it's done in a rushed fashion, problems result.
Well, yes. Unfortunately people were saying that change was NOT necessary even a couple of years ago. These are the consequences. We ran out of time to do it better. Too bad.
Well, yes. Unfortunately people were saying that change was NOT necessary even a couple of years ago. These are the consequences. We ran out of time to do it better. Too bad.
only ran out of time in your world...... Its not the govt's place to tell people how to heat their homes and cook their food.
only ran out of time in your world...... Its not the govt's place to tell people how to heat their homes and cook their food.
Exactly, his world as he clearly lives in an alternate reality. Half the country and most of the world including the most populous nations aren't going along with this climate change garbage. Nothing we do here will make any difference in the grand scheme of things other than make alarmists like him "feel" better, while they continue to move the goal posts year after year after year to keep the grift going. We are all gonna die if we don't reduce emissions by 2005!!! No wait.....2010!! No wait.....2020!! No wait......2030!!!
I have no doubt the climate is changing as the climate has changed and evolved for all of earth's existence, and humanity will do what it has always done. Adapt and move on.
Exactly, his world as he clearly lives in an alternate reality. Half the country and most of the world including the most populous nations aren't going along with this climate change garbage. Nothing we do here will make any difference in the grand scheme of things other than make alarmists like him "feel" better, while they continue to move the goal posts year after year after year to keep the grift going. We are all gonna die if we don't reduce emissions by 2005!!! No wait.....2010!! No wait.....2020!! No wait......2030!!!
I have no doubt the climate is changing as the climate has changed and evolved for all of earth's existence, and humanity will do what it has always done. Adapt and move on.
I agree, and will add this.......when the "green weenies" cripple America, with all of their half baked, half cocked "plans", how will we defend ourselves from any sort of hostile take over, by some hell bent dictator, if we no longer have any factories to produce defensive munitions, or if the factories might still be standing, we can't power them????
You're right, I was unaware of that. The solar panels are a drop in the bucket, but the windfarm is a HUGE step in the right direction.
Next comes the concern about viability in cold weather conditions: can they be deiced sufficiently, and reliably, consistently? And what about the chemicals used in deicing them?
And here's the other sticking point: who is going to fund the conversion to electric appliances? We're a Nation that sent a couple hundred million dollars to Ukraine, yet we're going to stick it to the homeowner, and residential property owner?
An Obama style approach would've cushioned the financial impact to property owners. I'd bet that property owners would be a lot more agreeable to migrating to different technology, if the transition were cushioned.
Which leads me to the next point:
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Originally Posted by Mrpepelepeu
Well, yes. Unfortunately people were saying that change was NOT necessary even a couple of years ago. These are the consequences. We ran out of time to do it better. Too bad.
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Originally Posted by peconic117
Half the country and most of the world including the most populous nations aren't going along with this climate change garbage. Nothing we do here will make any difference in the grand scheme of things other than make alarmists like him "feel" better...
Do you see the futility of the West's efforts?
We have a consumption based economy, not a manufacturing based economy, and we purchase products from places that are gross polluters. If the US manufactured products for the consumption of her citizens, then our efforts would make sense, because US manufacturers would have to follow US environmental guidelines.
Yet we aren't producing what we consume: our products come from places that are gross polluters, and are then transported by huge ships which are propelled by fossil fuels.
The question that I have, is why isn't this a concern?
and we purchase products from places that are gross polluters. If the US manufactured products for the consumption of her citizens, then our efforts would make sense, because US manufacturers would have to follow US environmental guidelines.
None of the top countries on this list manufactures the products we consume. And China is far below. As you can see WE are the gross polluters. On the other hand, Biden luckily and finally is bringing production to the US, creating jobs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ons_per_capita
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