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I am disgusted with the American right-wing. If you have a problem with that, sorry, but I can't help you. When 30 Republicans vote against a legislative amendment that would allow women working for defense contractors overseas access to U.S. Courts should they need to bring forth an accusation of rape while working in a foreign country, it's disgusting. When you have bible-thumpers attempting to turn their supposedly "Christian" beliefs into law for everyone, it's disgusting. When you have school boards considering banning Merriam-Webster's because it contains a sexual definition, it's disgusting. When you have a Lt. Governor in South Carolina comparing poor children to stray animals, it's disgusting. When you have one president facing impeachment for fooling with an intern, but another president gets away with sending thousands of young people to their deaths in an unfounded and unjust war he sold to the American public based on flat-out LIES, it's disgusting.
And it's not the left wing that's doing this stuff. It's the right wing and the Republicans.
Am I saying Obama is a savior? No. In fact, I am disappointed in him in a number of ways. Not that I expected him to fix eight years of damage in the space of one year, but I do feel he has sold out to the insurance companies and the right wing on several issues. As much as I appreciate him freeing up federal funds for stem cell research and overturning Bush's eleventh-hour legislative atrocities against the environment, I, myself, would like to know where the rest of the change went.
He was my choice over Hillary, but he was not my ideal candidate by a long shot. Most politicians aren't. In fact, I think all politicians are lying, thieving scuzzbuckets, and when voting, I go with the lying, thieving scuzzbucket who agrees with me most on the issues I care about. That's the best anyone could ever hope for.
/end soap box, alleluia, holy [poop], where's the Tylenol?
The revisionist history by liberals is hilarious. Everyone told Bush no when it came to Iraq? If I remember correctly, there was 1 vote of "no" in the senate when it came to going to war in Iraq. I don't want to stand up for Bush because he was a horrible president but please people get your facts straight.
Not exactly. Most Democrats in the Senate, voted in favor of it, but not quite by the margin you suggested. The Senate vote was 77-23.
Dem vote was 29-21 in favor (including Zell Miller). The GOP vote was 48-1 in favor (the Republican to vote against it was Lincoln Chafee who has since left the GOP and endorsed Obama). The lone Independent Jim Jeffords voted against it.
The vote in the House was 296-133. Republicans voted for it 215-6. Democrats in the House voted against it 126-81. The lone Independent Bernie Sanders voted against it.
Not exactly. Most Democrats in the Senate, voted in favor of it, but not quite by the margin you suggested. The Senate vote was 77-23.
Dem vote was 29-21 in favor (including Zell Miller). The GOP vote was 48-1 in favor (the Republican to vote against it was Lincoln Chafee who has since left the GOP and endorsed Obama). The lone Independent Jim Jeffords voted against it.
The vote in the House was 296-133. Republicans voted for it 215-6. Democrats in the House voted against it 126-81. The lone Independent Bernie Sanders voted against it.
ok the 1 vote was a GOP vote. The original point still stands - not everyone was kicking and screaming to stay out of Iraq.
I'm sorry that you feel all conservatives are war-obsessed oppressors of women and children. I'm not going to change your mind on that.
I'm disgusted that Democrats vote to allow partial birth abortions of viable babies. I'm disgusted that they are soft on terrorists and aren't particularly good at protecting our country. I'm disgusted that teacher unions hold the public school system hostage and have allowed it to decay so badly with corruption, waste, and inefficiency. I'm disgusted that they fund scumbag groups like ACORN.
I'm disgusted by a lot of things, but I also know that not all of the Democratic party is like that. There are reasonable members across the aisle. We are never going to get anything done in this country if we don't genuinely reach out to them.
Your hostility is the problem with Washington today. Both sides are disgusted with each other, and nothing is getting done.
Say what you will about Clinton and Gingrich...those two didn't like each other very much...but they got a lot accomplished. Why? Because Clinton was open to conversative ideas where needed and it tried to build consensus across party lines. Obama has shown none of this.
Government has a role in society. To equate the government doing anything to the government taking over industries is silly. There are tasks for the government to perform that cannot be performed efficiently in the private sector - that doesn't mean the government should do everything
No one is saying the government should do everything.
My point is that there are elements of socialism in this country that aren't even recognized as such because people have issues with the very word "socialism," instead choosing to use it to attempt to insult anyone they consider left of themselves.
ok the 1 vote was a GOP vote. The original point still stands - not everyone was kicking and screaming to stay out of Iraq.
True, however those who voted in favor of Authorization felt that Bush wasn't following some of the main purposes of the Authorization. Kerry and a couple others who voted in favor of Authorization felt Bush was rushing into it, and prior to the War urged Bush to take more time, let the inspectors finish their jobs, get a broader coalition and basically stay true to the actual Authorization which he did not do. You had the whole screams of being anti-American if you did not support Bush's every whim. What happened to Max Clealand, a triple amputee from the Vietnam War was especially heinous. You also have the fact that many things pushed by the administration turned out to be false, many witnesses that were used were known liars, but some of that information wasn't made available to Congress.
With that being said the Democrats should have been more outspoken on the Iraq War (though even if that was the case and their opposition was near unanimous it wouldn't have been enough to stop it). Those who voted for it should get some criticism for it. In fact while not being the only reason, Clinton's vote in favor of the War and Iraq and her support for it during most of it was part of the reason I voted for Obama over her in the Primary.
I'm sorry that you feel all conservatives are war-obsessed oppressors of women and children. I'm not going to change your mind on that.
I'm disgusted that Democrats vote to allow partial birth abortions of viable babies. I'm disgusted that they are soft on terrorists and aren't particularly good at protecting our country. I'm disgusted that teacher unions hold the public school system hostage and have allowed it to decay so badly with corruption, waste, and inefficiency. I'm disgusted that they fund scumbag groups like ACORN.
I'm disgusted by a lot of things, but I also know that not all of the Democratic party is like that. There are reasonable members across the aisle. We are never going to get anything done in this country if we don't genuinely reach out to them.
Your hostility is the problem with Washington today. Both sides are disgusted with each other, and nothing is getting done.
Say what you will about Clinton and Gingrich...those two didn't like each other very much...but they got a lot accomplished. Why? Because Clinton was open to conversative ideas where needed and it tried to build consensus across party lines. Obama has shown none of this.
Obama has tried to work across party lines. He has made numerous compromises. Its those on the right who are refusing to work across the aisle.
To get to a few points you made up. The whole issue with pba has to do with the live and health of the mother, nothing else. I know the right likes to scare people and make people think that the Dems want to legalize all partial birth abortions, its a bunch of bs scare tactics is about exemptions for the life and health of the mother. As far as teachers unions, they wield power here, but in the vast majority of the country they hold very little. In fact in most of the country teachers get paid crap. The whole weak on terrorism thing is again a bunch of bs by the right, using the same old scare tactics they love to use.
Obama has tried to work across party lines. He has made numerous compromises. Its those on the right who are refusing to work across the aisle.
To get to a few points you made up. The whole issue with pba has to do with the live and health of the mother, nothing else. I know the right likes to scare people and make people think that the Dems want to legalize all partial birth abortions, its a bunch of bs scare tactics is about exemptions for the life and health of the mother. As far as teachers unions, they wield power here, but in the vast majority of the country they hold very little. In fact in most of the country teachers get paid crap. The whole weak on terrorism thing is again a bunch of bs by the right, using the same old scare tactics they love to use.
Some people would consider the trials taking place in NYC and affording these terrorists the rights of American citizens instead of making them go through a military tribunal to be soft on terrorism.
Say what you will about Clinton and Gingrich...those two didn't like each other very much...but they got a lot accomplished. Why? Because Clinton was open to conversative ideas where needed and it tried to build consensus across party lines. Obama has shown none of this.
Yep. Clinton and Gingrich fostered subprime mortgages. Not exactly something to be proud of.
We are coming from different places. You say Obama hasn't compromised with the right wing enough. I say he and the Democrats in Congress have compromised too much. All of them are kowtowing to the Roman Catholic Church and religious fundamentalists on health care reform, and that is inappropriate in a nation that supposedly prides itself on separation of church and state.
But for the record, I got disgusted long ago, when the people of this country deliberately chose Bush in 2004. I am just glad he is out of there. I agree with JDawg and others who say he was the worst president this country ever had.
Your claims that Democrats are unable to protect the nation is correct, but not in the way you might think. They voted for war powers for Bush, and the war in Iraq has done nothing but get a lot of people killed and orphan a lot of boys in the Middle East, thus providing a lot of angry young recruits for terrorist organizations. Way to go, USA!
There's no such thing as a "partial-birth abortion." The procedure I believe you are referring to is an intact dilation and extraction and any physician will tell you it is only done when the mother's life is in jeopardy. It is not like abortion providers in clinics are pulling squirming fetuses out of women eight months along and ripping them apart like Catholic priests and religious fundamentalists would like everyone to believe. Ask the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology.
I will favor compromises with Republicans when Republicans do something about the bible-thumpers among their ranks. As long as the GOP is in bed with people who think it's okay to mix church and state, sorry, but they can go sell theocracy somewhere else.
I'm not sure why you are running away from the term socialist.
I'm not. Read my posts about it to Fire.
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I don't want to stand up for Bush because he was a horrible president but please people get your facts straight.
