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How about this question: Why are teachers' unions even need in this day and age?
To prevent the decline of wages and benefits. To preserve hard fought work rules and protections. To fairly negotiate any changes in regards to an ever changing market/economy.
In a nutshell...... to benefit its members
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To prevent the decline of wages and benefits. To preserve hard fought work rules and protections. To fairly negotiate any changes in regards to an ever changing market/economy.
In a nutshell...... to benefit its members
In other words : everything the private sector tries to do to it's workforce.
For the same reason they were created (Unions in general) to improve working conditions / wages / and quality of life. To protect employees from whims of their employers cost cutting at all cost, and favoritism.
Union employees and non-union employees benefit from the existance of unions in terms of all of the above.
This is NOT to say that unions have gone too far away from these basic principles, and in many cases have made an operation more difficult for the employer and employees to achive the goal of their common mission. (getting a job done)
Remember why unions were formed, think back to the wages and working conditions around 1911 (the time of the Triangle Shirtwaist factory) Do you honestly think that the gov't would have stepped in to make laws if there weren't pressure from unions that was equal or greater to the pressure of big business?
If there never unions, it is highly likely we'd have the quality of life of an industrial city in India.
Well, brush up on the Federal laws we have TODAY and they have corrected virtually all of what the unions of old had to fight for.
You're right, places like India and China could definitely use some unions.
I also disagree with so-called white collar professions being in unions. White collar professionals are highly educated and paid above average precisely because they should have the requisite ability to negotiate for themselves and take care of themselves. They should not need a union to be their mommy and daddy. Unions are for the workers who are typically TRULY EXPLOITED and who are not powerful or educated enough to negotiate for themselves and succeed in the workplace.
So having a white collar union that does not have to deal with a Company that has to earn the money to give them everything they want, but deals with a school board who simply taxes homeowners more and more is a perfect storm for the union and its beneficiaries and a completely unfair scenario for the people on whom the financial burden for their entitlements is placed, the taxpayers.
To prevent the decline of wages and benefits. To preserve hard fought work rules and protections. To fairly negotiate any changes in regards to an ever changing market/economy.
In a nutshell...... to benefit its members
Yeah, they're really fairly negotiating "in regards to an ever changing market / economy" when it comes to LI teachers' unions.
Let's see:
122 school district's unionized teachers: demand two raises a year as usual (in this economy!)
2 school district's unionized teachers: put off getting a raise for a period of 6 months to 1 year
Yeah, they're really fairly negotiating "in regards to an ever changing market / economy" when it comes to LI teachers' unions.
Let's see:
122 school district's unionized teachers: demand two raises a year as usual (in this economy!)
2 school district's unionized teachers: put off getting a raise for a period of 6 months to 1 year
The 20 step raises that people complain about is pathetic by most union standards. The fact that it takes 20 years to reach "top pay" is way below most union contracts that usually have a 5 - 10 year progression. That is actually in favor of the taxpayer The other increases are cost of living and is nothing more than any other civil service and most private union contracts get.
OUTRAGEOUS is a point of veiw and a matter of opinion. What is outrageous to some is a mere pittance to others. The people have spoke in the last vote. Oh yea it was raining out
The 20 step raises that people complain about is pathetic by most union standards.
And do those other union contracts have tenure? Do they work 75% of full time? Comparing pieces of teacher contracts to other union contracts and making it seem like the teachers have a bad deal is disingenuous at best and unintelligent at worst. When the total compensation package is compared with the private sector, the #'s are alarming. Just take a look at the thread with all the salaries (not the high cost of benefits) of school district employees.
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The fact that it takes 20 years to reach "top pay" is way below most union contracts that usually have a 5 - 10 year progression. That is actually in favor of the taxpayer
Another brilliant statement... you're on a roll. Yea, it takes 20 years to reach top pay but they start higher than many unions (and many private sector jobs) and their final top pay in many cases is higher. My father is in a successful union and he reaches top pay after 7 years... but it's about $25k less per year than teachers! Oh, and he works all year round.
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The other increases are cost of living and is nothing more than any other civil service and most private union contracts get.
Most private union contracts? Where's your source? My father gets negotiated raises, but no step increases. These negotiated raises are on average, about inflation or somewhat below. The teachers have been getting above inflation for a while. Don't pass off the increases as something routine, it's not. You're being dishonest again.
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OUTRAGEOUS is a point of veiw and a matter of opinion. What is outrageous to some is a mere pittance to others. The people have spoke in the last vote. Oh yea it was raining out
The people have spoke? Wrong. You must have missed that thread. The people who voted spoke, but you cannot speak for those who didn't vote. You can ASSume a no show is implied acceptance, but that's intellectually lazy if not dishonest. Then again, I've read your other posts and wouldn't put it past you.
Care to disclose any connection to teachers/civil servants?
they do it for the same reason they give good benefits to police and social workers. bek we deal with your dirty laundry. high stress jobs with lots of danger and hostility. my cousins friend, a teacher, was gang raped in a stair well, 2 of them were her own students.
we deal with your dirty laundry friend, that is why we get paid.
they do it for the same reason they give good benefits to police and social workers. bek we deal with your dirty laundry. high stress jobs with lots of danger and hostility. my cousins friend, a teacher, was gang raped in a stair well, 2 of them were her own students.
we deal with your dirty laundry friend, that is why we get paid.
I could tell you a story of a busdriver who was raped, should we increase her salary 80% to put it on par with LI teachers because she "deals with my dirty laundry" too?
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The other increases are cost of living and is nothing more than any other civil service and most private union contracts get. 
