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[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by UB50

A Mexican would still be a Mexican whether he was here legally or illegally. You don't lose your nationality when you become a citizen of another country.

And that attitude is the problem.

You don't lose your ETHNICITY but you should lose your nationality and assimilate.

A FORMER Mexican would still be an hispanic. Can you grasp the difference?

Waving another country's flag while protesting doesn't help anyone's cause.

[dusesean1986]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

A FORMER Mexican would still be an hispanic. Can you grasp the difference?
Waving another country's flag while protesting doesn't help anyone's cause.

Americans should allow Mexicans to be both both proud of their New American Nationality as well as their Mexican Nationality. Why would anyone not want to be proud of their homeland? Their is nothing wrong with being proud of your homeland.

[dusesean1986]

Originally Posted by wifmmmy

your right and the mexicans were here even before it was LA.

Very true...Regardless of who was here first...It doesn't give anyone the right to spew out disrespect towards an immigrant illegal or legal, and claim politically incorrect stereotypes and generalizations, and allow their anger to escalate to racism.

[Blue Grass Fever]

Originally Posted by wifmmmy

your right and the mexicans were here even before it was LA.

I have a question! (please see thread-"What is Mexico's identity?!")

In a technical sense, what were the "real" mexicans living in L.A. before it was L.A?

Natives? Spanish?

[dusesean1986]

Originally Posted by wifmmmy

I think that is a common misconception. that if someone is illegal they are not paying taxes. that is not always the case. of course there are people getting paid "under the table" but citizens do that as well. but there are alot of illegals that have just as much taxes taken out of their check if not more than anyone else. so taxes are being paid by quit a few illlegals. as for filing their taxes and getting refunds that is where it differs. some have tax id # and so yes they get their refunds but some dont and therefore they dont get a refund and so they are losing money in a sense lol.

There are people who take advantages of certain systems, but you have to have knowledge of the snowball effect. If an individuals is illegal, alot of other things will be illegal. Some are afraid of deportation or consequences, while others will take advantage of the system.

[dusesean1986]

Originally Posted by Blue Grass Fever

I have a question! (please see thread-"What is Mexico's identity?!")

In a technical sense, what were the "real" mexicans living in L.A. before it was L.A?

Natives? Spanish?

Native Americans, Spain-Spanish speaking, Mexico-Spanish speaking

All three are completely different peoples. Don't confuse the Spanish Language by tying together Mexico and Spain. Mexico had been conquered by Spain for a long time, there's a reason why latin America is very catholicized.

[Blue Grass Fever]

Originally Posted by dusesean1986

Native Americans, Spain-Spanish speaking, Mexico-Spanish speaking

All three are completely different peoples. Don't confuse the Spanish Language by tying together Mexico and Spain. Mexico had been conquered by Spain for a long time, there's a reason why latin America is very catholicized.

The person said there were "Mexicans" in L.A. long before it was L.A!!!

I am asking what constitutes a "mexican" in pre-L.A. times. (follow?!)

[english_teacher]

Sassberto-
Being an American who is "anti-illegal", or more accurately, an American who does not want illegal aliens to get away with breaking Federal laws does not mean they are "anti-Hispanic" as you suggest. That's playing politics w/ the race card and intimating that anyone who opposes illegals being in the U.S. is racist.

I lived in LA for nearly ten years and was part of a "white flight" in the early 90's. When I left, there were entire sections of LA in which no English was spoken, poverty, and crime directly attributable to illegal aliens being present in the country. INS (now ICE) couldn't do anything because LULAC cried racism, just like you're doing. Los Angeles would be a better place, as would Houston, Atlanta, etc. if criminals who cross the border illegally were deported.

Make no mistake, environment matters. Allowing millions of undocumented people to remain in the U.S. damages the quality of life for all of us. It's not about race Sassberto, it's about being a country of law.

[Perdu]

Thank you, thank you, thank you, english teacher, for speaking the truth. The emperor indeed has no clothes.

[dusesean1986]

Originally Posted by english_teacher

Sassberto-
Being an American who is "anti-illegal", or more accurately, an American who does not want illegal aliens to get away with breaking Federal laws does not mean they are "anti-Hispanic" as you suggest. That's playing politics w/ the race card and intimating that anyone who opposes illegals being in the U.S. is racist.
I lived in LA for nearly ten years and was part of a "white flight" in the early 90's. When I left, there were entire sections of LA in which no English was spoken, poverty, and crime directly attributable to illegal aliens being present in the country. INS (now ICE) couldn't do anything because LULAC cried racism, just like you're doing. Los Angeles would be a better place, as would Houston, Atlanta, etc. if criminals who cross the border illegally were deported.
Make no mistake, environment matters. Allowing millions of undocumented people to remain in the U.S. damages the quality of life for all of us. It's not about race Sassberto, it's about being a country of law.

Sassberto is not incorrect in his observations, as I agree with him. If you read the generalistic and soft racism quotes by individuals, I'd think you'd take a few steps backwards. Not being offensive, but the immigration issue no longer attacked the issue but made baseless and stereotypical claims against the individuals way back when these forums and threads were first established.

Everyone believes Illegal Immigrating is breaking the law of the United States. It has had an heavy influence on the United States, but most importantly detailed in the Southwest corner of our nation. I believe they should have a punishment for their actions. This does not give reason to deem someone unbelievably politically incorrect labels such as criminals, polluters, third-world disposition, and cheating the whole American system. This is not the race card, this is a flagrant foul against a group of individuals, not an individual. Should people spend jail time or perfrom community service for crossing the border illegally? Yes. Has the poverty of the United States been increased from illegal immigration? Yes. But, to give a false claim on a group of peoples and form a unfriendly, bias permanent opinion is not accurate and acceptable.