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Old 07-04-2020, 12:03 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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I’m not saying there are no deaths. The argument that there are deaths in other countries doesn’t really apply.

The US has the most cases in the world. As you said, fraud is a part of life. It is highly probable that some deaths were said to be COVID to get the extra Medicare bump.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think there’s some vast conspiracy to bump up the numbers to defeat Trump in November. However, based on past experience, I’m sure some of the numbers are wrong.
Sure there are inaccuracies and fraud. Of course. But clearly the poster I responded to initially is speculating exactly the conspiracy you agree isn’t happening.

 
Old 07-04-2020, 12:04 PM
 
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Sure there are inaccuracies and fraud. Of course. But clearly the poster I responded to initially is speculating exactly the conspiracy you agree isn’t happening.
Point taken.
 
Old 07-04-2020, 12:13 PM
 
Location: all over the place (figuratively)
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I'm trying to think outside the box:
if many party-goers are young and/or underemployed and almost all fairly healthy, then the county could target them for hiring to do deliveries and other important work that doesn't pay well and would keep them masked, tested regularly, and too busy to gather privately with much frequency.

If the government moves to punishment mode, create community service for reckless endangerment party situations that involves delivery of essential items. Other punishments could range from house arrest with work and essential-trips exceptions to mandatory, regular COVID-19 testing that must be paid out of pocket. Hosts who have been caught get large notices placed on the exterior of their property about what they did and warning potential guests about consequences.

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Old 07-04-2020, 01:34 PM
 
Location: West Los Angeles and Rancho Palos Verdes
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I'm trying to think outside the box:
if many party-goers are young and/or underemployed and almost all fairly healthy, then the county could target them for hiring to do deliveries and other important work that doesn't pay well and would keep them masked, tested regularly, and too busy to gather privately with much frequency.
That's what I see every day. The people delivering packages mostly look under 30, with an occasional person 30-35.
 
Old 07-04-2020, 01:50 PM
 
Location: all over the place (figuratively)
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A regular in my neighborhood is older than that, but yeah. I mean for things like delivery from restaurants and grocery stores. It's still slow and/or expensive to get that. The government needs to do more and might as well kill two birds with one stone.
 
Old 07-04-2020, 02:15 PM
 
Location: moved
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A regular in my neighborhood is older than that, but yeah. I mean for things like delivery from restaurants and grocery stores. It's still slow and/or expensive to get that. The government needs to do more and might as well kill two birds with one stone.
You're being too sheepish and reserved. You should instead propose reeducation camps, for the offenders. Inmates could redeem themselves through productive labor, such as plucking chickens, processing meat, perhaps operating machines that make toilet paper or hand-sanitizer. They'd be removed from the greater community, thus minimizing communal risk. They'd be gainfully employed. And they'd benefit from the salubrious influence of honest (if humble) work.

Of course, for this to succeed, we need watchful patriots like you, vigorously noting transgressors, and pointing them out to the local functionaries. Indifference is nearly tantamount to complicity, is it not?
 
Old 07-04-2020, 02:39 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Mike930 View Post

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think there’s some vast conspiracy to bump up the numbers to defeat Trump in November. However, based on past experience, I’m sure some of the numbers are wrong.
If anything, the numbers are being under-reported. Florida and Texas are not reporting hospitalization data, so we have no idea how many additional critically ill patients there have been since the most recent spike.

In addition, many articles are showing that the number of deaths attributable to COVID-19 have been significantly under-reported here in the US: https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...lobalData.aspx
 
Old 07-04-2020, 03:22 PM
 
Location: all over the place (figuratively)
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You're being too sheepish and reserved. You should instead propose reeducation camps, for the offenders. Inmates could redeem themselves through productive labor, such as plucking chickens, processing meat, perhaps operating machines that make toilet paper or hand-sanitizer. They'd be removed from the greater community, thus minimizing communal risk. They'd be gainfully employed. And they'd benefit from the salubrious influence of honest (if humble) work.

Of course, for this to succeed, we need watchful patriots like you, vigorously noting transgressors, and pointing them out to the local functionaries. Indifference is nearly tantamount to complicity, is it not?
Yes, to the bolded, not going to pick apart your sarcasm. You're the high-IQ person on this site who has said you yourself would be willing to die in a reopened America. Therefore, you aren't interested in palatable solutions.
 
Old 07-04-2020, 10:25 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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We had successful party today with 38 guest(including kids) and no one called police on us. Neighbor across from me had a party as well and also no one called the police on them either.
 
Old 07-04-2020, 10:51 PM
 
Location: West Los Angeles and Rancho Palos Verdes
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We had successful party today with 38 guest(including kids) and no one called police on us. Neighbor across from me had a party as well and also no one called the police on them either.
Yeah...okay...
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