LAPD Still Won't Get Vaccinated (Los Angeles: transferring to, educational, America)

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by joosoon

I still believe carrot is better than stick in this situation. Wasn't it Walmart that gave out some small bonus to their employees for showing proof of vaccination? If we truly cared about getting people their shots, we wouldn't be approaching this with a steamroller.

We tried the carrot. It didn't work.

[goodheathen]

Also, since when do public entities offer bonuses? I mean, I guess some do in narrow circumstances, but just offering them suddenly for vaccination - sounds like a very new precedent and one some taxpayers would be mad about, especially re high-paid police.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Also, since when do public entities offer bonuses? I mean, I guess some do in narrow circumstances, but just offering them suddenly for vaccination - sounds like a very new precedent and one some taxpayers would be mad about, especially re high-paid police.

Hiring bonuses are pretty common for police offers. Some govts around the country have been offering bonuses to get vaccinated.

[goodheathen]

I hadn't heard anything about local governments offering vaccination bonuses, but any big regions? Los Angeles has a huge number of employees. I don't see it as practical financially, unless it were in the hundreds of dollars, which would hardly persuade anyone.

I am open to a hiring bonus (experienced candidates only) for any department that becomes badly understaffed, even eventually bonuses to employees let go for being unvaccinated who have then had a change of heart.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by joosoon

No. I didn't say that.
I said:

So now, in order to respond to you I should have asked you to define 'wide spread'?

[goodheathen]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/al...?ocid=msedgntp
There have been lower-profile versions of that in LAPD. I wonder what unvaccinated cops think of that. Is there just not much awareness beyond individual precincts?

[Exitus Acta Probat]

If thousands of LAPD and LACS officers walk off the job, who's going to fill in for them? Or is the plan to make L.A. like that Escape from L.A. movie?

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

We tried the carrot. It didn't work.

When??? How??? The city originally didn't even want to give their workers a reasonable time frame to submit exemptions. It was stick from the beginning.

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Also, since when do public entities offer bonuses? I mean, I guess some do in narrow circumstances, but just offering them suddenly for vaccination - sounds like a very new precedent and one some taxpayers would be mad about, especially re high-paid police.

It doesn't have to be a monetary incentive. The point is, putting a boot on someone's neck to get them vaccinated isn't really working if X percentage of employees walk away from their jobs. In the end, those people still won't be vaccinated. It's called looking at this with a broader perspective in mind.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by joosoon

When??? How??? The city originally didn't even want to give their workers a reasonable time frame to submit exemptions. It was stick from the beginning.






It doesn't have to be a monetary incentive. The point is, putting a boot on someone's neck to get them vaccinated isn't really working if X percentage of employees walk away from their jobs. In the end, those people still won't be vaccinated. It's called looking at this with a broader perspective in mind.

Huh? I have no idea what non-monetary incentives could be used.

The boot is there in part to kick people out. I've been saying for more than a month that part of the strategy is to purge bad apples. If LAPD loses just maybe 300 employees and most of them are extremists, renegades by nature, or fools, it's a major victory. The city has known for a long time that the police force has some elements that should be gotten rid of and here the union is nearly powerless to block that.

[AgnstFascism4Reel]

Here's what I don't understand about Californians in large cities... mostly liberals. How did you start thinking, and at what age, that you get to dictate what other people do? Why is it your business? You're like to half-wits who tell police officers, "I pay your salary with my taxes!"

Here is a news flash for you. It's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS if someone doesn't want to get this vaccine. You're at risk of catching the flu from others, yet it's not mandated. Why is that? Because it wasn't convenient to politicize the flu. Don't want to catch something from a police officer? Don't commit a crime. Need an officer's help? Maybe YOU get vaccinated, if you're so nail-bitingly worried.

Stay in your lane. Mind your own business. If YOU want to get vaccinated, YOU get vaccinated.

Telling other people what to do in this country gets you flipped off, at best. At worst, it lands us in another civil war between those of us who believe in the civil liberties offered by this country and the power-hungry busy-bodies who feel the need to finger-point and shame those to whom they feel superior. And that's only because they're delusional. If you think you know better than someone else, you know nothing.

I know this is a difficult concept for you to grasp, but take care of you and yours. Mind your own business. Stop trying to dictate to others. And leave LAPD and LAFD alone, for goodness' sake. They'd help you, regardless. Why don't you dig deep and show a little reciprocity and support?! How much better off this town would be if people actually followed their virtue-signaling advice and tried to "be kind"... "Hate has no home here." HA! Yeah, I rambled. This peeves me. A lot.