LAPD Still Won't Get Vaccinated (charge, hired, adults)

[goodheathen]

As judges in New York and elsewhere reject requests to block mandates....

Nobody knows how effective vaccines are at reducing spread of the coronavirus, and that will take time that localities cannot afford to wait for. Tracing is what it is (bad), and therefore probably no one will ever know how many COVID-19 cases are spread from police to members of the public. Even you admit the significant reduction in hospitalizations and deaths, and that in itself justifies mandates, even with most police seemingly are at low risk for that. Employers are not supposed to let employees badly injure (which includes sicken) anyone at the workplace.

[mcp86]

Originally Posted by Nyfinestbxtf

Yes, it is true, NBC is propaganda like all the major news networks that push the Democrat Marxist agenda. I’m just reading the study they are reporting on which has nothing to do with NBC.

65% and 36% isn’t how I would describe as rare. So we are going to mandate a certain group of people to be mandated to receive a covid shot no matter their status (which arguments can be made for violation of the 14th Amendment) even though there is a good possibility they can still get infected and spread covid?

Now there is this study from Yale in regards to the effectiveness of natural immunity.


https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...nding-n1526017

One thing I notice with anti vaxxer, covid down players is sharing partial truth to defend their stance. Even though natural immunity waning period is still under study, one thing everyone agrees on is natural immunity is not constant for the whole population, it varies among each person. Leaving out half truth is also spreading misinformation.

[Nyfinestbxtf]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

As judges in New York and elsewhere reject requests to block mandates....

Nobody knows how effective vaccines are at reducing spread of the coronavirus, and that will take time that localities cannot afford to wait for. Tracing is what it is (bad), and therefore probably no one will ever know how many COVID-19 cases are spread from police to members of the public. Even you admit the significant reduction in hospitalizations and deaths, and that in itself justifies mandates, even with most police seemingly are at low risk for that. Employers are not supposed to let employees badly injure (which includes sicken) anyone at the workplace.

Because leftists judges reject these requests doesn’t mean the debate is settled that these forced medical procedures are legit.

You correctly admit nobody knows how effective the covid shot reduces infection and spread of covid. That alone nullifies vaccines mandates. How can a vaccine be mandated knowing that it doesn’t prevent infection and spread? You don’t know of any cases of covid being spread from police to the public which doesn’t matter being that the vaccine doesn’t prevent spread regardless. Whether a police officer is vaccinated or not, there is still the possibility of spread. Considering those two things can be true, how is a vaccine mandate legit?

Now you change your argument that the covid shot significantly reduces hospitalizations and death; that alone justifies a covid shot. No it doesn’t. Life is risk assessment and if an individual chooses not to get a covid shot, that is their right over their body in what to choose just as it is their right to refuse life saving treatment. People have the right to take deadly risks and they are not forced to not take those risks by mandates. You have no argument that defends covid shot mandates.

[Nyfinestbxtf]

Originally Posted by mcp86

One thing I notice with anti vaxxer, covid down players is sharing partial truth to defend their stance. Even though natural immunity waning period is still under study, one thing everyone agrees on is natural immunity is not constant for the whole population, it varies among each person. Leaving out half truth is also spreading misinformation.

So being anti vaccine mandate equates to anti vaccine? Says who? You?

Even without natural immunity there is no articulable argument for the covid shot being we know the covid shot doesn’t prevent infection or spread. We also know the younger you are, the lower the risk of hospitalization and death. There are approximately 1 million police officers in our nation. 476 police officers died of covid. Most of those officers likely had comorbidities. Even so, that’s a death rate of .05%

Now to couple the above statement with natural immunity (which study after study shows natural immunity is as effective, if not more effective than the covid shot), covid shot mandates holds no water.

And covid has a survival rate of 99%, yet we are going to mandate a covid shot?

These mandates isn’t guided by science, they are guided by politics and money and a red line has been drawn in the sand that neither side will allow the other to cross. Something will eventually give and it’s going to be ugly.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by mcp86

Leaving out half truth is also spreading misinformation.

Exactly.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Nyfinestbxtf

there is no articulable argument for the covid shot being we know the covid shot doesn’t prevent infection or spread.

You keep repeating this, over and over, as if what you believe makes it true. How do you not see that you're spreading misinformation?

[Nyfinestbxtf]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

You keep repeating this, over and over, as if what you believe makes it true. How do you not see that you're spreading misinformation?

What misinformation have I spread? Again, neither you or anyone else on this thread has provided an argument for an individual to surrender their body sovereignty to the government by mandating them to inject themselves with a vaccine against their will that does not prevent infection or spread of covid. These mandates ignore natural immunity, legitimate concerns a vaccine can have while having natural immunity, those who have negative reactions to vaccines, those who are not high risk to covid, and covid having a survival rate of 99%. Please provide an articulable argument why a covid vaccine is necessary under these circumstances? You can’t because these mandates are not guided by science, but rather guided by politics, money, and control.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Nyfinestbxtf

What misinformation have I spread? Again, neither you or anyone else on this thread has provided an argument for an individual to surrender their body sovereignty to the government by mandating them to inject themselves with a vaccine against their will that does not prevent infection or spread of covid. These mandates ignore natural immunity, legitimate concerns a vaccine can have while having natural immunity, those who have negative reactions to vaccines, those who are not high risk to covid, and covid having a survival rate of 99%. Please provide an articulable argument why a covid vaccine is necessary under these circumstances? You can’t because these mandates are not guided by science, but rather guided by politics, money, and control.

Again, you DO continually spread misinformation as others have pointed out. EVERY research / study concur that the vaccines DO prevent Covid 19 in most people. No vaccine of any kind is 100% effective for all individuals. You can look that up. Breakthrough cases do not prove lack of prevention as science measures vaccine efficacy.

You don’t know what you are talking about … and haven’t since you predicted in April of 2020 that we “won’t see even 65,000 deaths” from CV19.

[Nyfinestbxtf]

^^^furthermore, there is zero evidence that any covid mandates has had any impact on the spread of covid. None! What has had an impact from these draconian covid mandates is a wrecked economy and the vaccine mandates are just making it worse and is also affecting our healthcare system.

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[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Nyfinestbxtf

Yes, it is true, NBC is propaganda like all the major news networks that push the Democrat Marxist agenda. I’m just reading the study they are reporting on which has nothing to do with NBC.

65% and 36% isn’t how I would describe as rare. So we are going to mandate a certain group of people to be mandated to receive a covid shot no matter their status (which arguments can be made for violation of the 14th Amendment) even though there is a good possibility they can still get infected and spread covid?

Now there is this study from Yale in regards to the effectiveness of natural immunity.


https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...nding-n1526017

PJMedia? Why do you gravitate to sites like that? This is what PJ Media tried to poo-poo, an article that came out a month after the one your are touting:

“Reinfection can reasonably happen in three months or less,” said Jeffrey Townsend, the Elihu Professor of Biostatistics at the Yale School of Public Health and the study’s lead author. “Therefore, those who have been naturally infected should get vaccinated. Previous infection alone can offer very little long-term protection against subsequent infections.” https://news.yale.edu/2021/10/01/unv...ly-study-finds