LAPD Still Won't Get Vaccinated (Los Angeles: neighborhoods, deductible, tax)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Nyfinestbxtf

Having fun, just like you.

Atta boy

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Nyfinestbxtf

No one knows the likelihood of infection and spread among the vaccinated. It’s all a guess. What we do know is the shot helps prevent serious illness and death as so does natural immunity which there are studies that show natural immunity is as strong or stronger than the covid shot.

It's interesting that the information you refer to which supports your opinion is somehow valid, but those that don't support your belief are "a guess."

Vaccine Side Effects vs. COVID-19 Damage? There’s No Comparison:
https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...-no-comparison

[Nyfinestbxtf]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

It's interesting that the information you refer to which supports your opinion is somehow valid, but those that don't support your belief are "a guess."

Vaccine Side Effects vs. COVID-19 Damage? There’s No Comparison:
https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...-no-comparison

We live in a world of risk assessment. Though I’m healthy, no heart issues, I don’t smoke, I could lean up a bit, but I’m 46 years old. I believed after consulting with my doctor getting the vaccine outweighed the risk of getting covid. We do not know the risk of the vaccine of those who already have natural immunity, but their risk from covid is much lower than someone who doesn’t have natural immunity or the vaccine. So their risk assessment will clearly be different. Then you factor in health, your age, and so on. This is only on the individual argument in regards to their safety. What is the valid argument for mandating a vaccine if the vaccine doesn’t prevent infection or spread? I have read moronic arguments here that taxpayers pay for police service, not for them to get sick where they will be out sick for a couple weeks. So you rather force them to do something that was not settled in a collective bargaining agreement and against their will or they be fired? I’m sorry, but this thread is filled with dumb posters. Yeah, let’s fire cops, firemen, health workers, and EMS for the safety of the people. Just wow!

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Nyfinestbxtf

What is the valid argument for mandating a vaccine if the vaccine doesn’t prevent infection or spread?

The vaccination reduces infection and spread. Do you not agree with this?

[Nyfinestbxtf]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

The vaccination reduces infection and spread. Do you not agree with this?

Is there evidence of that on the Delta variant and by how much if it does? Kinda the same science behind the cloth mask reducing spread. No one knows if masks mandates had any impact on the spread of covid. Even if vaccinated, you’re still mandated to wear a mask. Not much confidence in the vaccine preventing the spread of covid if you’re still mandated to wear a mask. Too many contradictions. We are at the point where we need to start asking “is this about the science or rather something else.”

[Nyfinestbxtf]

I found this to be interesting. If we are not closely tracking breakthrough hospitalizations, how do we know how well the vaccine helps against infection and spread? If they don’t know the former, we definitely do not know the latter.

“However, it's still hard to quantify how often a breakthrough infection leads to someone being hospitalized, because the U.S. is not tracking this data closely on a national level, says Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at the University of Saskatchewan.”

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...vid-infections

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Nyfinestbxtf

Is there evidence of that on the Delta variant and by how much if it does?

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2108891

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...Delta-variant?

CDC has several ways to monitor COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness

Along with studies performed by vaccine manufacturers, by other government agencies, and by academic investigators, CDC also works on many types of studies to determine COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness in real-world conditions. Some examples of the systems CDC uses are listed in the table below; you can learn more about each system through the links provided:

Examples of CDC’s systems for monitoring vaccine effectiveness include....

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...they-work.html

[markg91359]

Originally Posted by Nyfinestbxtf

Is there evidence of that on the Delta variant and by how much if it does? Kinda the same science behind the cloth mask reducing spread. No one knows if masks mandates had any impact on the spread of covid. Even if vaccinated, you’re still mandated to wear a mask. Not much confidence in the vaccine preventing the spread of covid if you’re still mandated to wear a mask. Too many contradictions. We are at the point where we need to start asking “is this about the science or rather something else.”

Here's the evidence vaccination reduces the total number of cases of delta covid and reduces the spread rate among those who are vaccinated.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...finds-n1280583

People who are vaccinated against Covid-19 are less likely to spread the virus even if they become infected, a new study finds, adding to a growing body of evidence that vaccines can reduce transmission of the delta variant.

British scientists at the University of Oxford examined national records of nearly 150,000 contacts that were traced from roughly 100,000 initial cases. The samples included people who were fully or partially vaccinated with either the Pfizer-BioNTech or the AstraZeneca vaccines, as well as people who were unvaccinated. The researchers then looked at how the vaccines affected the spread of the virus if a person had a breakthrough infection with either the alpha variant or the highly contagious delta variant.

Both vaccines reduced transmission, although they were more effective against the alpha variant compared to the delta variant. When infected with the delta variant, a given contact was 65 percent less likely to test positive if the person from whom the exposure occurred was fully vaccinated with two doses of the Pfizer vaccine. With AstraZeneca, a given contact was 36 percent less likely to test positive if the person from whom the exposure occurred was fully vaccinated.

The risk of transmission from a breakthrough infection was much higher if someone had received just one dose of either vaccine.

The study was posted online Thursday and hasn’t yet been peer reviewed. But scientists not associated with the research said the findings were credible.

For full coverage of the coronavirus pandemic

“It’s the highest quality study we have so far on the question of infectiousness of vaccinated people infected with delta,” said Dr. Aaron Richterman, an infectious disease physician at the University of Pennsylvania, who was not involved in the research.

Susan Butler-Wu, a clinical microbiologist at the University of Southern California, called the study “well performed,” especially because it reflects real-world transmission since it tracked spread among close contacts.

Please tell me your next argument is not going to be that NBC is unreliable because it is part of the "communist socialist" news media.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Nyfinestbxtf

Well, maybe if you got out more you would see a police officer patrolling your neighborhood. Have you attended any police community meetings and ask for more of a police presence in your neighborhood? Have you made any complaints how you only see the county police only at coffee shops and pizzerias? If you’re retired, you have the time to get involved.

You have no idea what kind of work I did before I retired but you just yammer away. BTW it's a little odd for a cop to be retired at 46, how old were you when you retired?

[Nyfinestbxtf]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2108891

https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...Delta-variant?

CDC has several ways to monitor COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness

Along with studies performed by vaccine manufacturers, by other government agencies, and by academic investigators, CDC also works on many types of studies to determine COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness in real-world conditions. Some examples of the systems CDC uses are listed in the table below; you can learn more about each system through the links provided:

Examples of CDC’s systems for monitoring vaccine effectiveness include....

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...they-work.html

We know the effectiveness of the vaccine preventing serious illness and death. There is nothing you posted that lets us know how many vaccinated people are contracting covid and spreading it. They aren’t even closely tracking vaccinated people who are hospitalized. What we do know is the vaccination doesn’t prevent infection and spread.

Vaccinated people are still required to where masks because of the rare possibility of the vaccinated contracting and spreading covid?