LAPD Still Won't Get Vaccinated (limit, long term, penalties)

[capoeira]

Originally Posted by Nyfinestbxtf

This what makes the covid shot mandate argument absurd. It is proven that if you get the covid shot, you can still get infected with covid and spread covid. This isn’t about safety, these mandates is about something else.

The purpose of the mandates is to eliminate the possibility of data on an unvaccinated control group. It will look very bad for the nefarious vaccine pushers when the vaccinated end up with much worse long term health results.

The evidence is beginning to be revealed.

https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/whi...cdc-ignore-3e2

"her hospital serves a community in which less than 50% of the individuals were vaccinated for Covid-19 but yet, during the same time period, approximately 90% of the individuals admitted to her hospital were documented to have received this vaccine. "
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There is also evidence of negative vaccine efficiency in the UK.

https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/neg...r-something-is

"The latest Public Health England vaccine surveillance report finds higher rates of infection among the fully vaccinated than in the unvaccinated in all age brackets over 30.

For the fully vaccinated aged 40–70, infections are nearly 100% higher"

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And here is an ominous article about how the vaccines may negatively affect long term immune function.

https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/mas...ay-permanently

"Thus the report authors are compelled to admit that prior vaccination inhibits anti-N antibodies."

"In return for only limited protection against severe outcomes, the vaccines appear to encourage the spread of SARS-2, in multiple different ways. In continuing to insist on mass vaccination, our public health bureaucrats are doing the bidding of the virus. There is no other way to look at it."

[markg91359]

Originally Posted by Nyfinestbxtf

This what makes the covid shot mandate argument absurd. It is proven that if you get the covid shot, you can still get infected with covid and spread covid. This isn’t about safety, these mandates is about something else.

The group being vaccinated will get far fewer cases of covid than the group that isn't vaccinated. If you don't have covid you won't spread it. That alone is a strong justification for vaccine mandates.

Its also an assumption on your part to suggest that those who have been vaccinated will spread it at an equal rate to those haven't been vaccinated. The reduction in symptoms at least suggests it is spread at a lesser rate by the vaccinated group.

[markg91359]

Originally Posted by joosoon

Absolutely not. The Supreme Court purposely avoids overly broad decisions, and the fact that there was an alternative to getting vaccinated in Massachusetts (the fine) was key in that ruling. Once more, when the dust settled, Henning Jacobson successfully refused the smallpox vaccine.

You seem like such an authority over what the Jacobson decision means and what the future of jurisprudence in this area is. Why don't you tell us what background you have in constitutional law? I have taken five college courses in constitutional and administrative law. What have you done?

[markg91359]

Originally Posted by joosoon

That's not how precedence works.

Do you mean how "legal precedents" are interpreted?

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by joosoon

Of course not, but that's not what I said.
The city of LA is the employer, and LAPD (among others) are the employees who work under a negotiated contract. If the city of LA enacts an ordinance that alters conditions of employment, it's a labor issue, is it not? It would be different if the vaccine order was coming from higher up.


Is there a defined list of medical exemptions in this particular case? I'm asking. That's been a sticking point for awhile, as was "legitimate religious" exemptions. Part of the lawsuit was the lack of time allotted to employees to even submit their exemption requests. That's what I was talking about. If all exemptions are dismissed out of hand, in effect there is no avenue to receive one. It's not asking for much to extend the time to allow that processing.


Or, better yet, just incentivize getting the vaccine considering they're at nearly 71% last I checked. Carrot beats stick, imo.

I gave you the defined list of medical exemptions, look it up for yourself if you don't believe me. And incentivize cops to get vaccines? They make over 100k a year and you want to bribe them to get the vaccine? How about this, they can play their little game and get fired and go look for another job, Oklahoma is nice this time of year and I hear that they pay their cops an average of 46k a year but that's ok houses are cheaper there

[Nyfinestbxtf]

Originally Posted by markg91359

The group being vaccinated will get far fewer cases of covid than the group that isn't vaccinated. If you don't have covid you won't spread it. That alone is a strong justification for vaccine mandates.

Its also an assumption on your part to suggest that those who have been vaccinated will spread it at an equal rate to those haven't been vaccinated. The reduction in symptoms at least suggests it is spread at a lesser rate by the vaccinated group.

You do not know that. We do not know the frequency of breakthrough cases from the delta variant. Both my wife and I were vaccinated and both of us still got infected. That’s two out of two. What we do know is the covid shot does not prevent infection or the spread of infection. The covid shot only gives the individual a level of immunity. And there is also natural immunity which studies are showing provides better immunity than the vaccine.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Nyfinestbxtf

You do not know that. We do not know the frequency of breakthrough cases from the delta variant. Both my wife and I were vaccinated and both of us still got infected. That’s two out of two. What we do know is the covid shot does not prevent infection or the spread of infection. The covid shot only gives the individual a level of immunity. And there is also natural immunity which studies are showing provides better immunity than the vaccine.

Some counties in California track non-hospitalized breakthrough cases, google it if you really want to know. And "two out of two" really isn't a very scientific way of determining anything. Immunity from having covid is good, no doubt about it, but it doesn't last forever, and immunity acquired from having covid + the vaccine is much better. But what are you going to do - find a way to infect yourself with covid every 6 months to keep that wonderful natural immunity workin'?

"At five-six months post-vaccination or infection," she said, "the vaccinated participants had overall higher levels of neutralizing antibodies than the infected, including against variants." https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...id/6034141001/

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Nyfinestbxtf

You do not know that. We do not know the frequency of breakthrough cases from the delta variant. Both my wife and I were vaccinated and both of us still got infected. That’s two out of two. What we do know is the covid shot does not prevent infection or the spread of infection. The covid shot only gives the individual a level of immunity. And there is also natural immunity which studies are showing provides better immunity than the vaccine.

‘There you go again,’ as Reagan used to say. No, you don’t *know* “ the covid shot does not prevent infection or the spread of infection ” … All reported credible research and trials say it DOES ‘prevent’,*in the majority of individuals*. … but, true, not in 100% of individuals.

You, and I, and everyone else on this forum are in-experts who merely subsume what we read from internet and media quoting both actual experts and a variety of unqualified theorists. It’s all a lot of armchair chatter here swirling like a dust storm.

[Valley Boy]

The thing I think a lot of people are forgetting here is, the vast majority of cops pushing a beat car or work a tac team, suppression units, gang task force, etc. are typically YOUNG officers, under 35. So for many, just based off their age bracket, they tend to be more likely to survive. The problem are the officers who are not out being police. The HOUSE MICE, officers who just push paperwork. They are often older, less in shape, and work exclusively indoors.

Additionally, most officers are conservative. Black, Jewish, and Asian officers are more moderate. But A LOT of white officers are Trump worshipers and many Latino officers seeking white adjacency are Trump worshipers too. So you have that angle.

It doesn't take much to become a cop. Be 21, at least a GED, and a squeaky clean record. It isn't until you get into management that you have a cluster of officers that are educated beyond the high school level. Most average cops do not have much education, and simply believe what they see on TV or Social Media. Much like the general public.

The union is trying to call a bluff. But at the end of the day, those who want their jobs will keep them, and the rest will have to find employment elsewhere.

[Finper]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Some counties in California track non-hospitalized breakthrough cases, google it if you really want to know. And "two out of two" really isn't a very scientific way of determining anything. Immunity from having covid is good, no doubt about it, but it doesn't last forever, and immunity acquired from having covid + the vaccine is much better. But what are you going to do - find a way to infect yourself with covid every 6 months to keep that wonderful natural immunity workin'?

Don’t you mean 4 out of 4? The same thing happened to you and your husband