Who Are You Voting for LA Mayor? (Los Angeles, Pasadena: how much, moving)

[happ]

The point is that Reagan kept his personal faith personal. Religion never was brought up in elections before the evangelicals took over the GOP during Reagan's presidency though even papa Bush wasn't overly religious unless it helped him. Nixon had a deal with the "devil" to bring in Southern Dixiecrats into the GOP.

I think the Religious Right have been good and bad for the GOP [mostly bad

[majoun]

Originally Posted by happ

The point is that Reagan kept his personal faith personal. Religion never was brought up in elections before the evangelicals took over the GOP during Reagan's presidency though even papa Bush wasn't overly religious unless it helped him.

Or more correctly, it hadn't been since the 1920s.

Nixon had a deal with the "devil" to bring in Southern Dixiecrats into the GOP.

I think the Religious Right have been good and bad for the GOP [mostly bad

Also, the Religious Right has never been a strong force in CA state politics, so there would have been no reason for Reagan as governor to make alliances with them. Not to mention that religious conservatives in CA (outside of the San Joaquin Valley) tend to be Catholic rather than evangelical - and the Catholic Christian Right and the evangelical Christian Right haven't always worked well together until recently.

Reagan's flip-flop on abortion - and that of Pete Wilson during his ill fated pursuit of the GOP presidential nomination in 1996 - should also be mentioned.

[happ]

Originally Posted by majoun

Or more correctly, it hadn't been since the 1920s.



Also, the Religious Right has never been a strong force in CA state politics, so there would have been no reason for Reagan as governor to make alliances with them. Not to mention that religious conservatives in CA (outside of the San Joaquin Valley) tend to be Catholic rather than evangelical - and the Catholic Christian Right and the evangelical Christian Right haven't always worked well together until recently.

Reagan's flip-flop on abortion - and that of Pete Wilson during his ill fated pursuit of the GOP presidential nomination in 1996 - should also be mentioned.

I'm impressed with your knowledge [are you a history major?

[JustinThyme]

Originally Posted by majoun

The Legislature was majority Dem from 1958 to 1994. The other statewide offices were really split between both parties.

I would like to see your sources for this. As I remember, the majority was mostly held by Republicans until the early 70s.

[JustinThyme]

Originally Posted by majoun

I'm not saying that people shouldn't have voted for candidates other than Tony- they just should've given the other candidates besides Tony and Moore a look. As said earlier in the thread, if Tony had debated Moore than Moore would have probably gotten even fewer votes.

This is not fact. This is opinion, and obviously we disagree.

[happ]

Originally Posted by JustinThyme

This is not fact. This is opinion, and obviously we disagree.

I don't know if you live in Los Angeles but it is one reason why California is so Democratic. Because of the sheer number of voters, LA can sway the rest of the state toward liberal issues. It is noteworthy that Californians voted for tax increases again this month in spite of the economy & also approved funding for more rail construction. Current Republican thinking is way out of sync with California residents & in Los Angeles all geographic\ income\ ethnic groups vote overwhelmingly Democratic.

[JustinThyme]

Originally Posted by happ

I don't know if you live in Los Angeles but it is one reason why California is so Democratic. Because of the sheer number of voters, LA can sway the rest of the state toward liberal issues. It is noteworthy that Californians voted for tax increases again this month in spite of the economy & also approved funding for more rail construction. Current Republican thinking is way out of sync with California residents & in Los Angeles all geographic\ income\ ethnic groups vote overwhelmingly Democratic.

Yes, I live in Los Angeles -- main residence over the last 30 + years in Hollywood Hills.

Los Angeles has about 4 million people, most of them are left leaning, and have been for quite some time. There are over 36 + million in the state. There are more democrats than republicans in the state. My only point is that things have shifted, and things will shift again.

I doubt that we will ever see a red state here, and I wouldn't want that either. But there are plenty of moderates out there in the state, in both parties that could swing the state back to more balance if the dems can't pull the state through the economic crisis. Not everyone registered to a particular party is an idealogue. In fact, idealogues are in the minority!

[majoun]

Originally Posted by JustinThyme

I would like to see your sources for this. As I remember, the majority was mostly held by Republicans until the early 70s.

Kevin Starr's "California: A History"

[happ]

Originally Posted by JustinThyme

Yes, I live in Los Angeles -- main residence over the last 30 + years in Hollywood Hills.

Los Angeles has about 4 million people, most of them are left leaning, and have been for quite some time. There are over 36 + million in the state. There are more democrats than republicans in the state. My only point is that things have shifted, and things will shift again.

I doubt that we will ever see a red state here, and I wouldn't want that either. But there are plenty of moderates out there in the state, in both parties that could swing the state back to more balance if the dems can't pull the state through the economic crisis. Not everyone registered to a particular party is an idealogue. In fact, idealogues are in the minority!

Good point & why I am anxious for Prop 11 to redraw voting districts away from gerrymandering. If the GOP returned to its libertarian roots many Californians would again vote Republican

[majoun]

Originally Posted by JustinThyme

This is not fact. This is opinion, and obviously we disagree.

If there had been a debate, I don't think most of the Moore supporters would've gone for Tony. A handful might have, but most would've merely gone for another candidate as Moore's appeal was a "protest vote". The Moore supporters would've flocked to David "Zuma Dogg" Salzberg, Gordon Turner, Bruce Darian, Craig Rubin, or David Hernandez. I think Rubin would probably have been a better "protest candidate" than Moore.